Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Warrior1461]

Nails venerated as those of Christ's Crucifixion

In the Basilica of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome.
In the Holy Lance of the German imperial regalia in the Hofburg Palace in Vienna.
In the Iron Crown of Lombardy in the Cathedral of Monza.
In the treasury of the Cathedral of Trier.
In the form of bridle, in the apse of the Cathedral of Milan (see Rito della Nivola)
In the form of bridle, in the cathedral treasuries of Carpentras.

In the cathedral of Colle di Val d'Elsa, near Siena

That is six nails, three more that is usually used.

This reminds me of what Mark Twain said when he toured Europe. So saw so many Churches that had wood from the cross that crucified Jesus to make 50 new crosses.

 

[Weak Kitten]

I know this is a bit tangential but weren't nails in that time period difficult to make and therefore quite valuable? Was it normal for the Romans to use nails for torturing criminals rather than using rope or some other less valuable binding?

 

[Tricky]

I know this is a bit tangential but weren't nails in that time period difficult to make and therefore quite valuable? Was it normal for the Romans to use nails for torturing criminals rather than using rope or some other less valuable binding?

I was thinking the same thing. While it is possible to re-use nails, anyone who has done carpentry knows that re-used nails are apt to fail, bend and break. Nails from the Bronze Age, probably more so. So I'm guessing that crucifixions probably used something else. Maybe rope. Maybe wooden nails. As far as I know, the bible mentions nothing about the kind of nails used.

 

[tsig]

"As for the Messiah -- Even if he did exist, Jesus wouldn't have met the job requirements for the position. He didn't liberate Israel from the Romans and never sat on the throne. That's why the Jews are still waiting."

The early church founders knew that, that is why the second coming thing was cooked up, because they are saving that for the SEQUEL. Jesus II, Judgement Day.

Yes but the Jewish messiah was supposed to save, well, the Jews.


(I know, somehow the Jews totally misunderstood their own writings)

 

[Craig B]

I was thinking the same thing. While it is possible to re-use nails, anyone who has done carpentry knows that re-used nails are apt to fail, bend and break. Nails from the Bronze Age, probably more so. So I'm guessing that crucifixions probably used something else. Maybe rope. Maybe wooden nails. As far as I know, the bible mentions nothing about the kind of nails used.

The Bronze Age in the Ancient Near East ended long before the Roman annexation of the area. Here are the dates, as conventionally given:
8000 -- 4000 BCE Neolithic Period
3150 -- 2900 BCE Early Bronze Age I
2900 -- 2600 BCE Early Bronze Age II
2600 -- 2300 BCE Early Bronze Age III
2200 -- 1950 BCE Middle Bronze Age I
1950 -- 1550 BCE Middle Bronze Age II
1550 -- 1400 BCE Late Bronze Age I
1400 -- 1200 BCE Late Bronze Age II
1200 -- 1000 BCE Iron Age I

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Posted on 25th August 2012, 09:03 PM

He uses his own extra-holy date/time system.

 

[pakeha]

Nails venerated as those of Christ's Crucifixion

In the Basilica of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome.
In the Holy Lance of the German imperial regalia in the Hofburg Palace in Vienna.
In the Iron Crown of Lombardy in the Cathedral of Monza.
In the treasury of the Cathedral of Trier.
In the form of bridle, in the apse of the Cathedral of Milan (see Rito della Nivola)
In the form of bridle, in the cathedral treasuries of Carpentras.

In the cathedral of Colle di Val d'Elsa, near Siena

That is six nails, three more that is usually used. ...

Amusingly enough, two of the nails on that list, those in Milan and Carpentras, claim to be the one fashioned into the bridle made to place the Emperor Constantine under scriptural prophetic protection.

The cream of the jest is that PC has quoted his medium, KA stating those two nails with conflicting claims are both authentic. This error originates in a Philippine devotional poem read during Holy Week.

So, PC, no nail in Paris.
Two of the other nails KA listed have the same claim.
Which of them do you want investigated?
As for the nail in Rome, it was 'discovered' in a niche in the Santa Crocce church during a restoration in the 16th century.

Where do you go from there?

 

[DrDave]

I've got one of the crucifiction nails in my tool box - I can sell you it if the price is right

 

[pakeha]

^
That seems likely enough.
At least as likely as the claims of Trier's Cathedral

The Holy Nail (c.980 AD)

Trier, c.980 AD, 21.4 cm / 8.5 in. long. Like St. Andrew's Altar, this reliquary was made under Archbishop Egbert (977-93) to enshrine a relic brought to Trier by St. Helena. The iron spike, said to be one of the four with which Christ was nailed to the cross, was a highly important relic in medieval Trier. It was carried in processions, used for swearing oaths, and is reported to have healed several blind people during one of its exhibitions. It was stored in St. Andrew's Altar and is displayed alongside it in the Treasury. ...

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/germany/trier-cathedral-treasury

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Nails venerated as those of Christ's Crucifixion

In the Basilica of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome.
In the Holy Lance of the German imperial regalia in the Hofburg Palace in Vienna.
In the Iron Crown of Lombardy in the Cathedral of Monza.
In the treasury of the Cathedral of Trier.
In the form of bridle, in the apse of the Cathedral of Milan (see Rito della Nivola)
In the form of bridle, in the cathedral treasuries of Carpentras.

In the cathedral of Colle di Val d'Elsa, near Siena

That is six nails, three more that is usually used.

This reminds me of what Mark Twain said when he toured Europe. So saw so many Churches that had wood from the cross that crucified Jesus to make 50 new crosses.

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@Warrior1461, #121

There are four nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus. Not six. Not even three. They are in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France. (Pasiong Mahal, pages 203-204)

In Carpentras, the nail is paraded on Feast Day as “Clavo Santo”. In Milan, the nail is located in a church (or cathedral). In Rome, St. Helen put the nail in a diadem of her son, Emperor Constantine. It is located in a temple in Rome. And the nail that ended in Paris was thrown into Adriatic Sea which floated inspite of it being made of metal. In Paris, it maybe in the Basilica of Saint Denis, the Patron Saint of France. Saint Denis is also called Dionysius, Dennis, or Denys.

Please check the nails in Carpentras, Milan, and Rome. They should be eight-sided. Not four sides but eight sides.

 

[DrDave]

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@Warrior1461, #121

There are four nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus. Not six. Not even three. They are in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France. (Pasiong Mahal, pages 203-204)

In Carpentras, the nail is paraded on Feast Day as “Clavo Santo”. In Milan, the nail is located in a church (or cathedral). In Rome, St. Helen put the nail in a diadem of her son, Emperor Constantine. It is located in a temple in Rome. And the nail that ended in Paris was thrown into Adriatic Sea which floated inspite of it being made of metal. In Paris, it maybe in the Basilica of Saint Denis, the Patron Saint of France. Saint Denis is also called Dionysius, Dennis, or Denys.

Please check the nails in Carpentras, Milan, and Rome. They should be eight-sided. Not four sides but eight sides.

The crucifiction nail in my toolbox has 8 sides. I call shenanigans on one of your nails

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Amusingly enough, two of the nails on that list, those in Milan and Carpentras, claim to be the one fashioned into the bridle made to place the Emperor Constantine under scriptural prophetic protection.

The cream of the jest is that PC has quoted his medium, KA stating those two nails with conflicting claims are both authentic. This error originates in a Philippine devotional poem read during Holy Week.

So, PC, no nail in Paris.
Two of the other nails KA listed have the same claim.
Which of them do you want investigated?
As for the nail in Rome, it was 'discovered' in a niche in the Santa Crocce church during a restoration in the 16th century.

Where do you go from there?

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@pakeha, #127

Could anyone in Italy check the nail relic in Milan? Also in Carpentras, France. The authentic nails should be eight-sided (“octobado”). Please take photos and post them here for us to see.

I am quoting what is in “Pasiong Mahal”, not by Ka Apaz or by the spirit of Ama but from the book “Pasiong Mahal” (Holy Passion).

Ama, not Ka Apaz, revealed the names of the nails, how Jesus was nailed on the cross, where the nails were driven into, the centurion who pierced the side of Jesus, the time He died, etc. in my next several posts. Most of these are tape-recorded.

 

[DrDave]

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@pakeha, #127

Could anyone in Italy check the nail relic in Milan? Also in Carpentras, France. The authentic nails should be eight-sided (“octobado”). Please take photos and post them here for us to see.

I am quoting what is in “Pasiong Mahal”, not by Ka Apaz or by the spirit of Ama but from the book “Pasiong Mahal” (Holy Passion).

Ama, not Ka Apaz, revealed the names of the nails, how Jesus was nailed on the cross, where the nails were driven into, the centurion who pierced the side of Jesus, the time He died, etc. in my next several posts. Most of these are tape-recorded.

Tape-recorded you say? I'm not convinced. Needs to be on YouTube to make me believe.

 

[pakeha]

...
There are four nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus. Not six. Not even three. They are in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France. (Pasiong Mahal, pages 203-204) ...

PC, why are you repeating yourself?
Why don't you answer what has been posted up?
You ask us to research for you and don't respond to our findings.

It's already been pointed out to you the nails in Carpentras and Milan BOTH claim to be the nail made into a bridle for the Emperor Constantine.
Your medium got that wrong, as did the 18th century devotional used in the Philippines.

There is no nail in St Denis, in Paris.

The nail in Rome was discovered in the 16th century during a make-over of the church.

PC, it's clear KA simply ratified what the Pasiong Mahal says.
And the Pasiong Mahal is wrong, as I've demonstrated.

 

[hurdygurdy]

Could anyone in Italy check the nail relic in Milan? Also in Carpentras, France. The authentic nails should be eight-sided (“octobado”). Please take photos and post them here for us to see.

The effort would be useless. You are totally impervious to any response, you are here to repeat your delusions over and over and over. You said once that you came here to learn, but that's just another lie of yours.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus even in existence ?

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@Belz..., #71

Yes, Belz..., the crucifixion nails of Jesus exist in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France, according to the book, “Awit at Salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” or “Song and Story of the Holy Passion” or “Pasyon” in short. “Pasyon” is recommended by the spirit of Ama together with the King James Version of the Holy Bible. Pasyon is sung in the Philippines during Holy Week.

If you are in the said area or you know anyone living in the area, please investigate. The authentic nail should have eight sides (“octobado”).

 

[pakeha]

...

Could anyone in Italy check the nail relic in Milan? Also in Carpentras, France. The authentic nails should be eight-sided (“octobado”). Please take photos and post them here for us to see.

I am quoting what is in “Pasiong Mahal”, not by Ka Apaz or by the spirit of Ama but from the book “Pasiong Mahal” (Holy Passion). ....

Sorry, I thought it was KA who claimed the nails were octagonal. In any case, the “Pasiong Mahal” is simply a devotional poem. Why do you take it as a viable source of historical information?

PC, obviously one (or both) of these nails' claims must be utterly false.

Here are links to a photo taken as close as you or I will ever get to the nail in Milan:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rborja/2856916566/

 

[pakeha]

... If you are in the said area or you know anyone living in the area, please investigate. The authentic nail should have eight sides (“octobado”).

The nails are not subject to public scrutiny, PC. Haven't you read my posts?

...the crucifixion nails of Jesus exist in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France, according to the book, “Awit at Salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” or “Song and Story of the Holy Passion” or “Pasyon” in short. ...

The “Pasyon” is a simple 18th century devotional poem and got the detail of the nails wrong, as I've posted above.
The fact that KA ratifies this error just shows she's a false medium.

 

[Dancing David]

I love the whole book.

I like it and Roughing It.

 

[Dancing David]

Why on earth would soldiers who are killing convicted criminals by nailing them to crosses give a toss about symmetry?

Feng shui?

Kaibu? (CJ Cheryh fans, felicitous three!)