Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[pakeha]

It Happened One Night

It was not a “seance” because we cannot see a spirit or touch it but we can hear the spirit and record on tape our session. And it was not Ka Apaz who talks. Otherwise, she could have “impersonated” Ama when I went to see her during the next three weeks. /QUOTE]

I see we have a different idea of what a seance is.
Your accounts of what KA does are classic seances to me.

...Yes, I was very disappointed why the prophecies failed. ...

What were the reactions of the group?

The people in the calendar discussion list do not know about the cadavers in the UK that Angelina Imden dug up. I have not even mentioned Angelina Imden to them.

Have you spoken to AI yourself?

...There were four nails that were used when they crucified Jesus, one to each of His hands and feet. ...Please check whether there is truth in these.

Like BSM, I suggest you start a thread on the subject in the appropriate forum, rather than introduce that here.

Regarding the Spanish texts to be translated to English, please read about Juan I, king of Castile, during the 14th century....

Great. Post up the links.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Certainty, fidelity
On the stroke of midnight pass
Like vibrations of a bell,
And fashionable madmen raise
Their pedantic boring cry:
Every farthing of the cost,
All the dreaded cards foretell,
Shall be paid, but from this night
Not a whisper, not a thought,
Not a kiss nor look be lost.

Yes, I tried to interpret these prophecies. He first said about the world war originating from the Philippines in 1986 and in about the 1990s, in the middle of the year. I even went to the Philippines three months ago and lived near where Ka Apaz resided to be at her place almost every day. I was like the farmer waiting patiently for the first raindrop to wet the parch ground. Luckily, during my first week, I was able to talk to him but very briefly only – about five minutes. And then, on 05-04, he came again and for about one hour.

Could I not express my own interpretation? I am certain that the prophecies will happen because I have proven myself in my studies from 1999 to 2006 that his revealed ancient dates of May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus are true and correct. <massive snip> I accept that the prophecy failed. Why? I don’t know. Maybe, I guess that the non-believers of Jesus are given more time to wake up and come back to God. Maybe. Aren’t you happy that it did not happen?

Why, how could I be, when I made moo goo gai pan for 200,000,000 and not a soul showed up?

You know, the spirit was been warning us about the world war. <another big snip> When? I do not know.

You have told us all of this before, in very similar words--and to very similar effect each time. I beg you to focus, and give us some evidence which we may examine and discuss. Your loin cloths and calendars, your genealogy tables and tragic wedding nights, your news despatches from the front-that-never-was, your insidious derails--these are not evidence, and sometimes I suspect you throw them out there because you hope to distract us from the questions we keep asking. Such as: Why do you want this evil prophecy to succeed?

Had we but world enough, and time,
This verbosity, PC, were no crime.
We would sit down and think just how
To talk, and have our quarrels enow;
Thou by the Galilean Jeebus's side
Shouldst fig trees find; I enwrapped
In slumber would complain. I would
Doubt you ten years before the Flood;
And you should, if you please, confuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable doubt should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow.
An hundred years should go to raze
Thine dates, and on thy calendar gaze;
Two hundred to deride Apaz--
No--thirty thousand without pause!
An age at least, with tears and sighs,
And the last age should reveal: She lies.
For, PC, you deserve your fate,
Nor would I doubt at lower rate.

But at my back I always hear
The Forum's mods are scurrying near;
And yonder all before us quake
The blistering sands of AAH.
Thy perfidy shall no more be found,
Nor, in that archive's vault, shall sound
My echoing "Wrong!'; then worms shall try
That long preservèd squirrel's hide,
And your quaint theories turn to dust,
And into ashes all this fuss.
That crypt's a fine and private place,
Without a touch of Spooky^TM grace.

Now therefore, 'ere they drive us hence,
Take heed, and attempt recompense;
Whilst I can, with words of fire,
Purge thee of thy ill desires--
Now let us argue while we may,
And now, like hunters who've found their prey,
Rather at once this thread devour,
Than languish in its slow-chapp'd power.
Let us roll all our proofs, and all
Our cogency, into one ball,
And slash your derails with rough strife
Through cold rationality's iron knife;
Thus, though we cannot make this thread stand still,
Yet we will make it run.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

It Happened One Night

It was not a “seance” because we cannot see a spirit or touch it but we can hear the spirit and record on tape our session. And it was not Ka Apaz who talks. Otherwise, she could have “impersonated” Ama when I went to see her during the next three weeks. /QUOTE]

I see we have a different idea of what a seance is.
Your accounts of what KA does are classic seances to me.


What were the reactions of the group?


Have you spoken to AI yourself?


Like BSM, I suggest you start a thread on the subject in the appropriate forum, rather than introduce that here.


Great. Post up the links.

20120826.0930

@pakeha, #3861

I know that you, pakeha, does not believe in spirit and that the medium is just “impersonating” a spirit. I checked “The World Book Dictionary” and here is how it defines seance and medium:

Seance - “a meeting of people trying to communicate with spirits of the dead by the help of a medium”
Medium – “a person through whom messages from the spirits of the dead are supposedly sent to the living”

How do you define seance, pakeha? And what is a medium?

Yes, there is a meeting of people to talk to a spirit, usually Ama, through Ka Apaz. But she does not convey to the people what the spirit says. The spirit of Ama appropriates her body and talks directly to people, which in Filipino means “lakip”. It is different from “langkap” wherein a spirit goes into the physical body of a person with the person’s spirit still in the body. The extraneous spirit dominates the spirit of the person. The extraneous spirit talks to the people, like in Mark 5:1-20 and Luke 8:26-40.

You know what will happen if the spirit of the person leaves his body? It will collapse and we call that the body is “dead”. Like what James 2:26 says, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

I described that Ama “lakip” the physical body of Ka Apaz, and there are two ways which I said in http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”.

What was the reactions of the group? There are only three members who know what I am doing, all of whom are in the US. The one in New York City asked me what happened and the prophesied world war before or during the 2012 Olympic Games in London did not happen. I said I do not know.

I said that I have talked only once to Angelina Imden. I will transcribe our conversation and post it.

I mentioned the four nails used in crucifying Jesus to the cross for checking since you are in Europe. It will tell me whether what Ama said and what is in Pasion are true.

Regarding the Spanish text to be translated to English, I usually can understand the English translation only, including Wikipedia. But you there in Spain may have the original transcription of the documents, and many more, that is why your help will be beneficial to the group.

 

[AdMan]

I described that Ama “lakip” the physical body of Ka Apaz, and there are two ways which I said in http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”.

Hadn't you stopped referring to these revelations as coming from the Holy Spirit, after the prophecies failed?

Do you know what the Bible says about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

There'll always be an England
While there's a busy street,
Wherever there's a turning wheel,
A million marching feet.


PeaceCrusader, this subject is a complete derail of the topic at hand. If you wish to discuss it, you must begin a different thread over in Religion & Philosophy.

20120826.1045

@blue sock monkey, #3860

Thanks for your suggestion that the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus be discussed in Religion & Philosophy.

I brought up that topic here because Ama revealed it and the source of the prophecies is Ama. The book “Pasiong Mahal” also has it. So I would like to know whether I will believe it or not. It is quite incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different areas – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris. According to Ama, the nails are “octobado” or eight-sided.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Beauty, midnight, vision dies:
Let the winds of dawn that blow
Softly round your dreaming head
Such a day of welcome show
Eye and knocking heart may bless,
Find the mortal world enough;
Noons of dryness find you fed
By the involuntary powers,
Nights of insult let you pass
Watched by every human love.

20120826.1045

@blue sock monkey, #3860

Thanks for your suggestion that the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus be discussed in Religion & Philosophy.

I brought up that topic here because Ama revealed it and the source of the prophecies is Ama. The book “Pasiong Mahal” also has it. So I would like to know whether I will believe it or not. It is quite incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different areas – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris. According to Ama, the nails are “octobado” or eight-sided.

"Incredible" is the right word for it, no doubt about that.

Religion & Philosophy is the correct place for such a discussion. If the actual physical nails are found following the words of the noxious Ka Apaz, then possibly it would be appropriate to again raise the issue in this thread.

Remember that we have very recently been reminded by a mod to remain on topic. I tend to prolixity myself at times, so you must help me stay on target, and not to wander off into these intriguing byways.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

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20120826.1105

@Stomatopoda, #3858

I really do not know why the prophecies of Ama failed. I can only guess. I had been confident that they would happen like the revealed dates as the birth and death of Jesus which I myself have proven to be true and correct.

The website http://aristean.org/transcript023.htm tells that the only true God will save people from different religious backgrounds. So God will not discriminate or favor one particular religion. I asked what they [the saved people] will do. Ama answered that they will become holy. Then I asked if they would be able to take with them others who they led, Ama said that it will be sufficient that they take themselves to the faith [in Jesus].

 

[Ravenwood]

20120826.1045

@ It is quite incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different areas – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris. According to Ama, the nails are “octobado” or eight-sided.

It appears Ama is once again wrong, Roman nails were Iron, not steel & four sided. Archeological evidence one again, shows you to be wrong. these things are easily researched & there are reams of examples...

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Beauty, midnight, vision dies:
Let the winds of dawn that blow
Softly round your dreaming head
Such a day of welcome show
Eye and knocking heart may bless,
Find the mortal world enough;
Noons of dryness find you fed
By the involuntary powers,
Nights of insult let you pass
Watched by every human love.



"Incredible" is the right word for it, no doubt about that.

Religion & Philosophy is the correct place for such a discussion. If the actual physical nails are found following the words of the noxious Ka Apaz, then possibly it would be appropriate to again raise the issue in this thread.

Remember that we have very recently been reminded by a mod to remain on topic. I tend to prolixity myself at times, so you must help me stay on target, and not to wander off into these intriguing byways.

20120826.1210

@blue sock monkey, #3866

As per your suggestion, I posted in Religion and Philosophy the topic about the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus, under the title “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?”. Thanks a lot, blue sock monkey.

 

[FG10]

20120826.1105

@Stomatopoda, #3858

I really do not know why the prophecies of Ama failed. I can only guess. I had been confident that they would happen like the revealed dates as the birth and death of Jesus which I myself have proven to be true and correct.

PC, why do you keep perpetuating this lie? You have done no such thing, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions here.

Is it you are so desperate to cling on to the hope that your version of a particular god exists that you deliberately set out to deceive yourself?

If there is a god that created us (there isn't) it should be thoroughly embarrassed by the sheer ignorance demonstrated in its name.

 

[George 152]

It appears Ama is once again wrong, Roman nails were Iron, not steel & four sided. Archeological evidence one again, shows you to be wrong. these things are easily researched & there are reams of examples...

Hey no fair using actual evidence..
What on earth was a claim of steel nails in aid of, he's already proven to be wrong about everything else..

 

[AdMan]

PeaceCrusader, why do you continue to ignore my questions? Here they are again:

What does the Bible say about false prophets?

What does the Bible say about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, why do you keep perpetuating this lie? You have done no such thing, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions here.

Is it you are so desperate to cling on to the hope that your version of a particular god exists that you deliberately set out to deceive yourself?

If there is a god that created us (there isn't) it should be thoroughly embarrassed by the sheer ignorance demonstrated in its name.

20120826.1255

@FG10, #3870

Is everything that Ama said a lie? That is why I present what he says for our scrutiny, whether we believe him wholly, partially, or not at all. Just because he was wrong in his prophecies, you suggest that I should also abandon my belief in God. I believe there is God who created you and me. What is the difference between you, FG10, who are alive and one who is dead in a coffin or in the cemetery?

I myself have proven that his revealed dates of May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus are true and correct. You may check them out and come back to tell the world that I was wrong in my studies. The results are for your perusal at http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm and http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm . Point out the errors in them and we will discuss.

I tell you that even the Devil says good things but he inserts and distorts things and presents the beauty of Hell. So be scrutinizing. Be discerning. Pick up what will be good for your soul and discard what is evil.

 

[devnull]

What is the difference between you, FG10, who are alive and one who is dead in a coffin or in the cemetery?

Someone has already explained this to you. The fact that you ignored, or failed to understand, the answer is your problem.

I myself have proven that his revealed dates of May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus are true and correct. You may check them out and come back to tell the world that I was wrong in my studies. The results are for your perusal at http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm and http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm . Point out the errors in them and we will discuss.

Fine - I have 1 question then: How did you prove he was born on May 23rd, and not, for example, May 22nd?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Hey no fair using actual evidence..
What on earth was a claim of steel nails in aid of, he's already proven to be wrong about everything else..

20120826.1315

@George152, #3871

Are you like FG10 who says that because of wrong prophecies, do not believe anything for they are also false? We have to be scrutinizing and check if they are true or false as well. So be selective of what is good for your soul. Or you do not believe that you have a soul? If so, please answer my question: what is your difference between you who is alive and one who is dead?

Is a world war not possible to start at the disputed Spratly Islands being claimed by the Philippines?

 

[AdMan]

If so, please answer my question: what is your difference between you who is alive and one who is dead?

This question has been answered multiple times here, but you refuse to see the answers.

Get a basic book on biology and maybe you will understand.

Meanwhile:

What does the Bible say about false prophets?

What does the Bible say about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit?

 

[Robrob]

Is a world war not possible to start at the disputed Spratly Islands being claimed by the Philippines?

The Philippines are a non-player on the world stage. No one cares about them. The likelihood of anything they do starting WWIII is about the same as the Falkland's War escalating into WWIII.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Someone has already explained this to you. The fact that you ignored, or failed to understand, the answer is your problem.


Fine - I have 1 question then: How did you prove he was born on May 23rd, and not, for example, May 22nd?

20120826.1330

@devnull, #3874

The question was answered by another person. What I want is the answer directly from FG10 and George125, even though their answers may be similar to someone else’s. How about you, devnull, what do you think is the difference between you who are alive and one who is dead in a coffin or in the cemetery?

It was not me who said that Jesus was born on May 23. It was a spirit who we talk to and the source of the failed prophecies. He did not give any year, just the date. I found the year is 33 BC which means that what was told to us that Jesus was 33 years old when He died is wrong. He was only 32 solar years old.

 

[devnull]

The question was answered by another person. What I want is the answer directly from FG10 and George125, even though their answers may be similar to someone else’s. How about you, devnull, what do you think is the difference between you who are alive and one who is dead in a coffin or in the cemetery?

There are cellular and chemical processes that occur when you are alive. When they are interrupted and cease, you are dead.

What do you think the difference is?

It was not me who said that Jesus was born on May 23. It was a spirit who we talk to and the source of the failed prophecies. He did not give any year, just the date. I found the year is 33 BC which means that what was told to us that Jesus was 33 years old when He died is wrong. He was only 32 solar years old.

Didnt you say before that you proved the May 23 date? and this is one of the reasons that you trust Ka Apaz is not a fraud?

OK, so let's say I claim Jesus was born on May 22nd. What part of your proof can you quote to specifically show the date as May 23rd and not 22nd?

 

[Astreja]

Could I not express my own interpretation? I am certain that the prophecies will happen because I have proven myself in my studies from 1999 to 2006 that his revealed ancient dates of May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus are true and correct.

I, on the other hand, am 99.999...% certain that the prophesies will not happen, and just as certain that your dates are wrong.

I accept that the prophecy failed. Why? I don’t know.

Perhaps because the prophesy was just something that a human made up, and that it has 0% divine content?

Maybe, I guess that the non-believers of Jesus are given more time to wake up and come back to God. Maybe. Aren’t you happy that it did not happen?

Happy? I'm overjoyed that you and Ka Apaz and the probably mythical "Ama" were wrong.

In fact, if your god is waiting for non-believers of Jesus to "wake up and come back to God" before it destroys the earth, I hereby vow to never, under any circumstances worship your god, from this moment to the end of eternity.

Oh, and I think I should seal the deal by committing the unforgivable sin, thereby making My salvation impossible. "I, Astreja K. Odinsdóttir, hereby proclaim that I see no appreciable difference between the works of the alleged 'Holy Spirit' and the works of the alleged 'Devil.'"

The prophecy about the 2012 OG in London failed. But there is still the threat of war coming from Spratly Islands that the Philippines is claiming. That is why I believe that the prophesied world war from the Philippines will still happen. When? I do not know.

I say never. The Spratly Islands will not be the start of any major worldwide conflict, for the simple reason that from a strategic point of view they're small change. Trivial. Picayune. A mere shrug on the political landscape, and absolutely not worth the lives of 4 billion (or more) people.

Edited to add: That's a very interesting hypothesis you have there, Aristeo, about your god holding off on the nuclear war to allow more people to come to belief.

Unfortunately, that particular hypothesis puts the lie to your earlier claim that humans, not your god, would be the cause of the war...