Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Ladewig said:
You do realize that pretty much everything RP has said in this thread is a game, don't you? He hopes to frustrate liberals by pretending to be a birther and by pretending that he has valid points.
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Naturally. I followed his emetic arguments in the JFK thread for something like 100 pages. It's like watching a pet chase its tail.
 
JayUtah said:
Naturally. I followed his emetic arguments in the JFK thread for something like 100 pages. It's like watching a pet chase its tail.
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Perhaps I am misreading all the posters in this thread, but to me it seems that no one is taking Robert Prey's assertions seriously - or more precisely no one is taking them seriously enough to actually be upset.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
So, what are you saying; you're allowed to call anyone an "expert witness" but no one is allowed to address the alleged expertise of that witness?

Hey, guess what? I'm an expert witness. I know very little about the technical details of PDF, but that doesn't matter. Everything I say about PDFs now must be considered an unassailable opinion.
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The solution is clear.
We need an expert witness to evaluate the credentials of potential expert witnesses. Someone who is qualified to determine how qualified other people are.
 
So every other president produced their birth certificate for the public too? This isn't a question only asked of the chap with the different coloured skin through discrimination? Abe Lincolns open house was to show off his birth certificate?

Otherwise it would seem the race card is a factor after all...
 
Ladewig said:
Perhaps I am misreading all the posters in this thread, but to me it seems that no one is taking Robert Prey's assertions seriously - or more precisely no one is taking them seriously enough to actually be upset.
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When you get a guy this far gone. Where he is just doing standard Troll position #4, i.e. just disagree with whatever is said, even if it contradicts his own position, we are pretty much left with just mockery of his bad trollery since it's impossible to take him seriously.
 
Travis said:
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I chose to support Obama because I looked at his policy proposals and liked them. That you think he is somehow a Marxist implicates your entire ability to reason as faulty.
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Of course, you're forgetting that Obama nationalized the steel industry, the oil industry and created giant collectives that he forced all the farmers to join. Whoa, my mistake, he didn't do any of that. But he did nationalize the airline security inspectors and that is only a small step from nationalizing other industries. Oh wait, it was the Marxist George Bush that did that. I guess I got my Marxists confused there. But then he was the first to use federal money to prevent the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler. Oh crap, I guess that was the Marxist, George Bush again.

So now I'm wondering just exactly did this Marxist Obama do to push his Marxist agenda forward? The national debt did almost double on his watch. Ugh, wrong again, that was the Marxist Bush again. Yes but Obama has used his power to implement a program that gave the federal government more control over local school districts. Geez, I was wrong about that too. That was Bush again.

This is odd. The Marxist Bush administration bailed out the AIG company and the federal government ended up owning a big chunk of AIG. Surely the Marxist Obama has gone on to expand the federal government's ownership of AIG? Whoa, wrong again the Obama administration is selling off government shares in AIG.

Just what is going on here? It seems like the Marxist Bush was much truer to the cause than the Marxist Obama. It's almost like if you're a dedicated Marxist your best hope is to vote Republican and hope you get another president like George Bush to really push the cause forward. Obama is such a bad Marxist it's almost like he's no Marxist at all.
 
davefoc said:
Of course, you're forgetting that Obama nationalized the steel industry, the oil industry and created giant collectives that he forced all the farmers to join. Whoa, my mistake, he didn't do any of that. But he did nationalize the airline security inspectors and that is only a small step from nationalizing other industries. Oh wait, it was the Marxist George Bush that did that. I guess I got my Marxists confused there. But then he was the first to use federal money to prevent the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler. Oh crap, I guess that was the Marxist, George Bush again.

So now I'm wondering just exactly did this Marxist Obama do to push his Marxist agenda forward? The national debt did almost double on his watch. Ugh, wrong again, that was the Marxist Bush again. Yes but Obama has used his power to implement a program that gave the federal government more control over local school districts. Geez, I was wrong about that too. That was Bush again.

This is odd. The Marxist Bush administration bailed out the AIG company and the federal government ended up owning a big chunk of AIG. Surely the Marxist Obama has gone on to expand the federal government's ownership of AIG? Whoa, wrong again the Obama administration is selling off government shares in AIG.

Just what is going on here? It seems like the Marxist Bush was much truer to the cause than the Marxist Obama. It's almost like if you're a dedicated Marxist your best hope is to vote Republican and hope you get another president like George Bush to really push the cause forward. Obama is such a bad Marxist it's almost like he's no Marxist at all.
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He's a sleeper. He's concealing his Marxism until he's in a position of power.
 
JayUtah said:
That's not an answer. If you would like to address my analysis of the legal obligations involved, please do so now. Otherwise kindly stop playing Baloney games.
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The "legal obligations" -- whatever that means -- have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that neither the State of Hawaii, nor Ant Pogo, nor Jay Utah have ever been able to prove that the COLB is an exact copy of a Birth certificate held in the files of the State of Hawaii.. You can't do it because the Dept.of Health refuses to allow the original to be viewed. And Obama refuses to give such permission by reason of the simple fact that a bona fide Birth Certificate simply does not exist. If it did exist, it would long ago have been produced. Logic 101.
 
Mr Prey it has been shown over and over again that your forgery fantasy is just that, a fantasy, the certificate has been shown to exist in both physical and electronic form, it has been proved to not be a forgery over and over again.

Wht would satisfy you you actual live footage of the birth???
 
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Robert Prey said:
The "legal obligations" -- whatever that means -- have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that neither the State of Hawaii, nor Ant Pogo, nor Jay Utah have ever been able to prove that the COLB is an exact copy of a Birth certificate held in the files of the State of Hawaii.. You can't do it because the Dept.of Health refuses to allow the original to be viewed. And Obama refuses to give such permission by reason of the simple fact that a bona fide Birth Certificate simply does not exist. If it did exist, it would long ago have been produced. Logic 101.
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So I assume you think that Romney committed criminal tax-dodging, and that's why he isn't releasing his tax records. Is this correct?
 
Tomtomkent said:
So every other president produced their birth certificate for the public too? This isn't a question only asked of the chap with the different coloured skin through discrimination? Abe Lincolns open house was to show off his birth certificate?

Otherwise it would seem the race card is a factor after all...
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I am going to start a movement to demand that all still living ex presidents produce their birth certificate to prove they were born in the US, seems only fair to me.
 
Robert Prey said:
The "legal obligations" -- whatever that means -- have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that neither the State of Hawaii, nor Ant Pogo, nor Jay Utah have ever been able to prove that the COLB is an exact copy of a Birth certificate held in the files of the State of Hawaii.
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The state of Hawaii has confirmed that Obama was born there. Why do you wish to violate the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution?

Robert Prey said:
I's say it's anti-American to violate the Constitution. That's what's anti-American.
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Robert, would it be correct to assume that you don't understand the meaning of "legal obligation"?

Would you care to take an educated guess?
 
I cordailly invite all and sundry to the movement to demand the following prove they were born in the USA

Jimmy Carter
George Bush Senior
Bill Clinton
George Bush Junior

we need them to provide a paper and electronic version of their birth certificates certified as real by experts.
 
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Megalodon said:
So I assume you think that Romney committed criminal tax-dodging, and that's why he isn't releasing his tax records. Is this correct?
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Pheh. If we were to make an equivalency of what Robert is claiming, Romney would have to have written a confession to killing dozens of co-eds in the margins of his returns.
 
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