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jaydeehess said:
please list those points in my post which you take issue with

lack of cell phones that take video?

time it would take to turn on and shoot with a camera?

the number of cameras that could be expected on a Sept morning in2001?

I do admit my mistake concerning the number of videos of the first tower hit

or perhaps you take issue with my pointing out your lack of reading comprehension and idiotically asking about cell phone videos and are just pouting
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After the first tower explosion pretty much anyone who had one handy would have had it pointed at or panning the towers.
 
Clayton Moore said:
After the first tower explosion pretty much anyone who had one handy would have had it pointed at or panning the towers.
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You posted a web site full of nonsense. You failed to post facts on 911, you posted lies and false information.

You can't post the specification for black boxes, and never explains what the black boxes being lost or destroyed on 911 means. In fact, discussing the black boxes means there were planes, which you say there were not planes. Wait till you get to flight 93. Why do you spread lies and never answer questions or support your failed claims?
 
Clayton Moore said:
What question?
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The question you asked about the second tower plane that several people asked you to clarify.

Wait... you did clarify. It was just hidden by an incredibly ignorant claim about cell phone video in 2001.
 
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beachnut said:
You posted a web site full of nonsense. You failed to post facts on 911, you posted lies and false information.

You can't post the specification for black boxes, and never explains what the black boxes being lost or destroyed on 911 means. In fact, discussing the black boxes means there were planes, which you say there were not planes. Wait till you get to flight 93. Why do you spread lies and never answer questions or support your failed claims?
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No. Discussing the absurdity that that all FOUR could be lost or damaged beyond recognition means there were no planes.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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That is what we've been told seemingly every day on virtually every news telecast, every speech, every statement, every policy announcement, every public appearance by every government official since September 11, 2001.
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Clayton, this is an honest question, I understand your question says since September 11, 2001. However, in the last 6 years, how many telecasts, speeches, statements, public announcements or appearances have their even been?

I think that's the bigger point that you don't seem to be understanding. I am not going to say "no one cares" about 9/11 anymore, but it's not at the top of conversations at this time. It isn't 2002.

Politicians aren't bringing it up in their campaigns, new agencies aren't bringing it up on their networks, hell, even Alex Jones seems to have drifted away.

The reason for that is the questions have been answered, Clayton. Maybe you don't understand the answers, or maybe you don't understand the event itself. The reason no one is talking about it is because, for rational people, the questions have answers.
 
Clayton Moore said:
After the first tower explosion pretty much anyone who had one handy would have had it pointed at or panning the towers.
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So you are talking about the second tower hit, the one for which there are in fact several professional and amateur videos.
You are correct about one thing, there is a distinct lack of cell phone videos of the hits. As noted many times now, that is due to the distinct lack of video capable cell phones in 2001.

So that leaves single purpose video cameras. While there were in fact more of these in the hands of average persons in 2001, what causes you to expect so many to be present in Manhattan on a Sept morning in 2001?
 
Clayton Moore said:
No. Discussing the absurdity that that all FOUR could be lost or damaged beyond recognition means there were no planes.
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More likely means you can't do physics.

It means you have no means, no understanding, no will, to solve E=mgh.

It means you have no means, no understanding, no will, to look up the specifications for "black boxes". To see how much fire and shock they can take. Why waste your precious time on research and gaining knowledge when you have lies to post, and trolling to do?

It means you failed to do research. Your only research is hitting the "Submit Reply". Zero.

There is no need for black boxes to solve what happen on 911, there were no accidents. Black boxes are used as tools to figure out why planes crashed due to accidents, mechanical failure. 911 was a crime by 19 terrorists who crashed planes on purpose.

When you solve E=mgh, you might understand why the boxes may of been damaged/destroyed and not found. The black boxes could be trapped in debris, like the floors fused together, which I would post a photo of but you are a troll, and you do nothing to solve 911; you post lies and nonsense; it is the best you can do, and you do it better than most troll except fatfreddy.
 
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beachnut said:
... it gets worse.


How do they know the private pilots off course without a flight plan are off course??? The web site is perfect for Clayton.

Poor Clayton fooled by idiots who copy and paste nonsense; the person who did the web site is super stupid. If you are outside the United States and you are off course, you could be intercepted. The source is talking about the ADIZ.



What an idiot. http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_26.htm Summa Cum Stultus
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Here's what Clayton should be doing


What can be done

It is not really my place to tell other adults what to do with their time. The question 'what can be done' has many answers. It is up to the reader to pursue justice in whatever way seems appropriate to her/him. I can make these suggestions: investigate for yourself, reflect, think about it, talk about it, pass my paper around, browse through the provided links, get your mind/heart wrapped around the truth, share it with others, write your own paper, call your family and friends, call/write your congress-people and tell them we know, write to your local newspapers and tell them we know, be kinder to your children, work out your own personal crap you've been avoiding for so long, eat better food, take a walk, and chop lots of wood. Convince yourselves that our children need our undivided attention, plant a garden, travel to Iraq, give money to some of the 9/11 websites, get involved, ask yourself why Pat Tillman was really killed, watch less television, ride your bike, take public transportation, SLOW down, listen to Caroline Casey on Thursdays at 2 p.m. PST on KPFA.org, have some friends over for dinner, light a fire and talk about it. Find a way to connect, and the world that is currently being run by these scornful, lost children will start to unravel and reveal itself for what it truly is. The Emperor indeed has no clothes. But it is up to us to lift the mirror and hold him accountable.

Eat right, exercise and hug your kids and all will be right.
 
Clayton Moore said:
No. Discussing the absurdity that that all FOUR could be lost or damaged beyond recognition means there were no planes.
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Wait, the ones they found, plus the ones they couldn't find, mean no planes? Even when the ones they found have information validating the common narrative, that a terrorist piloted plane crashed into a building and another went into the ground in Pennsylvania?

Why even bother coming here and debating? With a statement like that, it doesn't appear that any Fact can convince you. And none of your Conjectures will convince those who have seen and understand the facts.

Reality is knocking. Do yourself a favor, and open the door and let it in.
 
Clayton Moore said:
After the first tower explosion pretty much anyone who had one handy would have had it pointed at or panning the towers.
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Yep, so?
Just how many of those cameras would you expect to be in the vicinity on a Sept morning in Manhattan in 2001?

As I said, its not really the height of tourist season and not many people walk around their home city with their handycam every day, especially on their way to work.
It quite apparent you are assuming that in 2001 the prevalence of video capability among the general population was as it is today. Thus your hilarious demand for all those cell phone videos.
 
Clayton Moore said:
No. Discussing the absurdity that that all FOUR could be lost or damaged beyond recognition means there were no planes.
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plague311 said:
No it doesn't. That's not what it means even a little bit. It means exactly what Jay said it meant. Nothing more, nothing less.
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As for the black boxes, these are designed to withstand certain conditions. Given that the collapses were powerful enough to snap large structural steel members and that the collapsing buildings were akin to 110 storey rock crushers its not surprising that any object not light enough to be ejected by the expelling of air from the collapsing floors would be bashed and torn asunder until it is unrecognizable. Given also that these boxes would have first been subject to impact with the building and then subject to an hour long fire before being subject to the 110 storey rock crusher, and then possibly subject to fires within the debris pile for days or weeks,,,, tell me gain why you so enthusiastically expect them to have survived in recognizable parts let alone in usable condition..???
Then there is the misinformation that they were found in the rubble.
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Attempting to change the subject, Clayton?

The topic as concerns the recorders has been whether or not they could be expected to survive in recognizable (much less usable) condition after experiencing a high speed crash , an hour long fuel and office fire, and the collapse of a 100 storey steel and concrete structure. Simple answer to that is, no, they could not be expected to.

Now you want to somehow, claim that erroneous reports that they were found fits into a vast conspiracy in some way?
 
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