How can peace in Syria be achieved?

[Her Grey Eminence]

That is not technically true.


The whole reason that we have the International Criminal Court in the first place is because there are some moral laws at the basis of a governing body that are set up to specifically protect against War Crimes and other internationally illegal acts from occuring.


You are not allowed to commit war crimes. Plain and simple.


No matter who you blame it on for why you had to commit war crimes, you cannot commit them.

Legally, when an army starts to commit war crimes, especially on a massive scale, it is up to the army to refuse those orders.


So, technically, the international laws that forbid mass killings and war crimes that are based on moral legal rulings outrule any governmental structures that allow mass civilian killings and other similar war crimes.

Lets leave aside that there are allegations that the Syrian army committed war crimes, just as there are allegations the FSA committed war crimes.

The US army committed war crimes in Vietnam, Iraq and Libya - are you saying that the US army is not the legitimate army and the US government is not the legitimate government. Of course you could use the get out clause that the US is not a member of the ICC, then again neither is Syria.

In practice war crimes are the fetish of the ignorant and immature - war crimes will always happen in war. The biggest crime of all is war - aggressive war or aggressive proxy war - all other crimes flow from this initial crime.

 

[Virus]

So you admit the regime's war on unarmed demonstrators inspired by the Arab Spring was a crime?

So you admit Iran are committing crimes by sending arms and money to Assad? So you admit Hezbollah are committing crimes by helping crush the revolution?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

So you admit the regime's war on unarmed demonstrators inspired by the Arab Spring was a crime?

I am only aware of foreign parties smuggling snipers into Syria to shoot into crowds from rooftops and inflame the situation. Something that has actually been documented.

So you admit Iran are committing crimes by sending arms and money to Assad?

I don't think Iran are sending money to Assad. Perhaps they send it to Syria, but since they are sending it to the legitimate government that is legal under international law. It is not legal to arm and fund a terrorist campaign, as US and British proxies in the region are doing.

So you admit Hezbollah are committing crimes by helping crush the revolution?

I know how much Hezbollah upsets you, but really Virus, how many dead Syrians would you be happy to see in order to have Hezbollah lose Syrian backing?

No, don't answer that question. The very depths of Israeli rage and hatred disturbs even me sometimes.

 

[Virus]

I am only aware of foreign parties smuggling snipers into Syria to shoot into crowds from rooftops and inflame the situation. Something that has actually been documented.

By?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

By?

At night all cats look grey, but I presume that the end clients are elites in Britain, America and Israel acting via their client monarchies in the gulf.

 

[trustbutverify]

I wasn't aware that Israel was involved in the Syrian revolution. May I see the evidence that convinced you she was?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

I wasn't aware that Israel was involved in the Syrian revolution. May I see the evidence that convinced you she was?

As I said it was my presumption: the Israeli tail wags the British and American dog who then mobilize their client monarchies in the gulf.

Feel free to have your own opinion. I have no particular interest in convincing you or anyone.

 

[Virus]

We're convinced that you're a Jew baiter. What do you think of that?

When are you going answer the question re; documentation of foreign agents gunning down protestors?

 

[trustbutverify]

I'm sure a man of your caliber wouldn't just presume that Israel was behind the Syrian unrest, pulling the strings as it were, without some pretty strong evidence. Couldn't you share just a little of it?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

I'm sure a man of your caliber wouldn't just presume that Israel was behind the Syrian unrest, pulling the strings as it were, without some pretty strong evidence. Couldn't you share just a little of it?

I could of course, but I would hate if the sources, my Iranian nuclear physicist friends, ended up being gunned down as a result.

 

[McHrozni]

The US army committed war crimes in Vietnam, Iraq and Libya - are you saying that the US army is not the legitimate army and the US government is not the legitimate government.

Except that in none of those cases the US army would be fighting US insurgents against a US government, but rather an external conflict. A key difference, since the army is supposed to fight external enemies.

That's assuming your allegation of US war crimes is correct of course, but even if you picked a better example your comparison still wouldn't be worth the bytes it is typed on.

McHrozni

 

[trustbutverify]

I could of course, but I would hate if the sources, my Iranian nuclear physicist friends, ended up being gunned down as a result.

Well, now we're getting somewhere. So, Iranian nuclear physicists told you that Israel was behind the Syrian revolution. Did they provide documentation, or did they just presume it?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

Israel was behind the Syrian revolution.

Errr, that is not what I said, it is close, but not close enough. Go back and read what I wrote and let me know when you understand it.

 

[trustbutverify]

So you don't believe the Zionist Entity was behind the Syrian revolution, only that they are responsible for snipers on Syrian rooftops picking off civilians and blaming it on Assad's forces. Do I have you right now?

 

[Her Grey Eminence]

So you don't believe the Zionist Entity was behind the Syrian revolution, only that they are responsible for snipers on Syrian rooftops picking off civilians and blaming it on Assad's forces. Do I have you right now?

Nope, perhaps it would help if you read what I wrote? It shouldn't be too difficult for you, its a nice story about tails and doggies.

 

[Virus]

You said it was documented. Documented by who? Nobody? Or should you just be dismissed as a pathological liar?

 

[Caustic Logic]

Suddenly became disgruntled?

The Assad regime ...

What part of HYPOTHETICAL is so hard to get?

My point is that we should have structures and measures in place to prevent these kinds of atrocities from happening in the first place.

TTo effectively stop it, you need to really know what kind of atrocity and what kind of solution, right?

One of the most tragic parts about this whole situation is that almost every single death that has happened in this conflict was easily 100% preventable. Soldiers, civilians, rebels, none of them needed to die. There should not have been 20,000 deaths in this conflict. There should not have been 5,000 deaths, or 4,000 deaths, or 100 deaths.

None of the deaths should have happened, and they ALL could have been easily prevented

How? Abject gov'tsurrender at minute one there's a protest? Let the US lead by example, says I.

All of the deaths that have happened, and all of the deaths that are happening are completely preventable. We just have to have an international community that wants to prevent them.

The want is there, all right. It's a bad, burning itch. That's not the problem. (ETA: not to end the deaths, but to carryout the prescribed solution of regime change insisted on from minute one just because of that "Arab Spring" nonsense)



ETA: What you mean, perhaps, is a global population - or forum community, or whatever - that uniformly embraces that want, instead of there still being a few trying to calm the itch with an ointment of questions. But c'mon, we're already pretty close to unanimous on this, to read the corporate news anyway, so what's the harm of a few fringe kooks?

There have been far too many deaths to be explained as propoganda. With 20,000 people dead, even 5,000, that is far too large to be explained away.

Can you tell me what's the upper number of people that COULD be killed by rebels for propaganda purposes? And how did you arrive at that number that's so much smaller than what we see? Thanks.

And by the way, I don't think it's the whole number by a long-shot - it might only be 10% of the total deaths, but most of the unnecessarily cruel ones targeting children intentionally, designed to shock the world. The gov. has no motive to get themselves blamed for that, the rebels do. We also have families killed in shelling, armed fighters killed fighting, soliders, loyalist civilians, etc. to get that probably 22,000 or more by now.

 

[Caustic Logic]

How do you define terrorists?

Does it included people sleeping in their houses that are hit by artillery or airstrikes?

Or what about people waiting in a bread line?

Or what about the crime of being a man living in a house?

Do you think it's very likely that's what HGE meant? Was there a better way to approach that? Like explaining (not in detail, just claiming will work) how there are no "terrorists," and only innocents in their homes are being killed by an insane regime that, like so many others before, has required us to eliminate it? It's a rather nuanced concept, and perhaps he/she just doesn't grasp it yet, being from Australia and all.

 

[trustbutverify]

Nope, perhaps it would help if you read what I wrote? It shouldn't be too difficult for you, its a nice story about tails and doggies.

Yes, I've read your "tails and doggies" drivel. The same racist poison I've read in The Protocols, every other article from the Alex Jones sewer and the collected ranting of the Iranian theocracy.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Caustic Logic]

Yes, I've read your "tails and doggies" drivel. The same racist poison I've read in The Protocols, every other article from the Alex Jones sewer and the collected ranting of the Iranian theocracy.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Not that you don't maybe have a point, but is it possible you're over-making it?