Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Belz... said:
The problem with conspiracy theorists is that everything is proof of the conspiracy, but nothing can be proof of the opposite.
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The problem with "Deep Thinkers" is, they perceive themselves as being just to smart to think there could ever believe there is such a thing as a conspiracy.
 
Robert Prey said:
I's say it's anti-American to violate the Constitution. That's what's anti-American. And Obama has done that nine ways to Sunday, beginning with his Birth Certificate con.
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But birtherism is anti-American. Come now, don't be timid. Embrace your position full force; you'll feel much more clean.

You see, when you attempt to de-legitimize the office holder, you in turn disrespect the citizens of the nation who chose him for office under the US system of representative democracy. Put another way - you willingly insult Americans and the American system of government, ergo you are anti-American.

Remember that.

And do try to maturely extend courtesy and respect, and rise to your feet when Mr. Obama passes by. Barack Obama, Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces.
 
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Ladewig said:
And your answer is not an answer.


Now, if we are done playing Buddhist monk, would you be so kind as to provide a reason or evidence that exposing Obama as not being eligible to hold office is political suicide? If you don't want to, that's fine. I'll know you are here to play games instead of rationally discuss U.S. politics.
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Because at least half the country, especially the mainstream media, still have a slobbering love affair with the Anointed One.
 
JayUtah said:
Obvious baiting noted and reported.

It is fairly obvious from your arguments that you have not read this thread, to which you are a newcomer and in which I have participated for the past few dozen pages. Therefore I submit that you are completely unequipped to determine the factual basis of my argumentation here.

Conversely, I have asked you several questions here and pointed out several points of fact and law that you have addressed only by insubstantial denial. Before you try to crow about your imagined successes elsewhere and make veiled personal digs, please address my arguments.
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Good idea. If you really have any, name one.
 
JayUtah said:
In the context of certifying a vital record for its use at the federal level or by another state, they are proof. In fact, they are the only proof that is valid under the Constitution.
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Certifying a lie, may be good enough for you. But a lie is still a lie, no matter who certifies it.
 
Robert Prey said:
Predictable.
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This is not an acceptable answer. When you attempted to start your own thread on this subject, you were told that another relevant thread already existed. You were told that we'd expect you to be familiar with the facts and arguments in this thread.

Please read and understand the existing debate. Your blanket assumption that it is irrelevant tells us how serious you are about finding the truth.
 
Robert Prey said:
Because at least half the country, especially the mainstream media, still have a slobbering love affair with the Anointed One.
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Let's see if I have this straight.

No Republican senator, no Republican representative, no Republican National Committee member wants to expose Obama's treasonous exploits because he is afraid that the mainstream media will not like him after he brings a criminal to justice AND without the blessing of the mainstream media, no Republican can get elected to federal office or be appointed to the RNC.

Is that your position?

I want to make sure that is your position before I point out that such an assertion requires every current and former elected Republican official to be a pusillanimous coward who places his personal well-being over (1) the rule of law, (2) love of country, (3) desire to make America a better place, and (4) his loyalty to his constituency.

Dude, I am a liberal and even I wouldn't paint Republicans with those colors.


ETA: Are you getting closer to seeing why the theory that Obama's secret army would kill the whistleblower and his family is more rational than the political-suicide theory?
 
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I know it's shocking, but it's almost as if Robert Prey is letting ideology get in the way of rational thought.
 
Ladewig said:
Let's see if I have this straight.

No Republican senator, no Republican representative, no Republican National Committee member wants to expose Obama's treasonous exploits because he is afraid that the mainstream media will not like him after he brings a criminal to justice AND without the blessing of the mainstream media, no Republican can get elected to federal office or be appointed to the RNC.

Is that your position?
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No. Even the few who suspect birth certificate fraud know very well that to pursue it would be futile in a nation where virtually the entire mainstream media worships at the feet of The Anointed One. And to even talk of it in a political campaign would be political suicide. But... after a favorable result of the Nov.election, that could change.
 
Robert Prey said:
Certifying a lie, may be good enough for you.
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Stop putting words in my mouth.

I don't accept your speculation that the birth certificate is a "lie," hence I don't consider the certification inappropriate. The certification stands in lieu of foreign claims of forgery. You clearly do not understand how Full Faith and Credit works. Not even a little bit.

But a lie is still a lie, no matter who certifies it.
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Please be explicit. Who exactly (i.e., give a name) has lied according to your allegation? And what is your evidence of this lie?
 
elbe said:
So you believe Hawaii is actively lying about the President's birthplace?
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I have a strong suspicion that the insiders know the truth. And former Hawaii Election official Tim Adams has made the claim that it actually is an open secret.
 
Robert Prey said:
I have a strong suspicion that the insiders know the truth. And former Hawaii Election official Tim Adams has made the claim that it actually is an open secret.
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Wow, a suspicion and a claim. Who needs evidence when they could rely on hearsay!
 
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