Plasma Cosmology - Woo or not

[Ziggurat]

Looks like the xray spectrum shows the morphology of a huge Unipolar inductor? Yes.

Not really. Where are the return currents? Why aren't they visible?

Is it a bunny? No
Is it more likely a Unipolar inductor than a bunny? Yes.

That's a rather... insufficient basis on which to conclude it's a unipolar inductor.

And why does it always go back to "looks like"? Why can't you ever attach numbers to this? What's the required magnetic field? What's the radius and the rotation speed of the "motor"? What are the voltages involved? What are the currents? If you can't get these even within a few orders of magnitude, you don't have a model.

But then, PC folks have never had a model.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Sigh.

Not really. Where are the return currents? Why aren't they visible?

Because obviously the further away they get the less dense, more diffuse and less radiation they will emit.

That's a rather... insufficient basis on which to conclude it's a unipolar inductor.

I am unaware of a publication that has directly modelled the unipolar properties of this particular system to reference, but there are many others on similar systems.

I'm spoilt for choice, but would you like me to reference the implied voltages, amps, accretion morphologies and spectra for black holes, pulsars, binary systems, planets, comets and extrapolate them to the crab nebula?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003MNRAS.343L..10H

Cosmic electric currents and the generalized Bennett relation
Astrophysics and Space Science (ISSN 0004-640X), vol. 144, no. 1-2, May 1988, p. 73-84. (Ap&SS Homepage)
A generalized form of the Bennett pinch is studied in both cylindrical geometry and plane-parallel geometry. In this kind of pinch electromagnetic forces, kinetic pressure gradient forces, centrifugal forces, and gravitational forces may act. For each one of the two geometries considered a generalized Bennett relation is derived. By means of these relations it is possible to describe among other things the pure Bennett pinch, Jean's criterion in one and two demensions, force-free magnetic fields, gravitationally balanced magnetic pressures, and continuous transitions between these states. The theory is applied to electric currents in the magnetosphere, in the solar atmosphere and in the interstellar medium. It is pointed out that the currents in the solar atmosphere and in the interstellar medium may lead to pinches that are of vital importance to the phenomena of solar flares and star formation, respectively.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988Ap&SS.144...73C

Spin up in RX J0806+15: the shortest period binary
Monthly Notice of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 343, Issue 1, pp. L10-L14. (MNRAS Homepage)
RX J0806+15 has recently been identified as the binary system with the shortest known orbital period. We present a series of observations of RX J0806+15, including new optical observations taken one month apart. Using these observations and archival data, we find that the period of this system is decreasing over time. Our measurements imply that , which is in agreement with a rate expected from the gravitational radiation for two white dwarfs orbiting at a given period. However, a smaller value of cannot be ruled out. Our result supports the idea that the 321.5-s period is the orbital period, that the system is the shortest period binary known so far and that it is one of the strongest sources of constant gravitational radiation in the sky. Furthermore, the decrease of the period strongly favours the unipolar inductor (or electric star) model rather than the accretion models.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003AstL...29..153S

Unipolar Induction of a Magnetized Accretion Disk around a Black H
Astronomy Letters, vol. 29, p. 153-157 (2003) (AstL Homepage)
Publication Date:
03/2003
The structure and magnitude of the electromagnetic field produced by a rotating accretion disk around a black hole were determined. The disk matter is assumed to be a magnetized plasma with a frozen-in poloidal magnetic field. The vacuum approximation is used outside the disk.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1982ApJ...262...87B
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 262, Nov. 1, 1982, p. 87-99. Research supported by the Bell Telephone Laboratories. (ApJ Homepage)

Abstract

A black hole of mass of about 300 million solar masses is assumed to be present in the nucleus of an active galaxy or quasar. With an axial magnetic field near 1000 gauss, a potential drop 10 to the 19th volts is generated by the unipolar induction of a rotating accretion disk surrounding the black hole. The possibility that the acceleration of electrons or positrons in the unipolar fields initiates an electromagnetic cascade shower at distances at least 10 to the 16th cm from the black hole is investigated. The scattering medium for the shower is considered to be the spectrum of low energy photons originating from the inner region of the disk. It is found that at completion of the cascade, power-law energy spectra of relativistic electrons and positrons and of gamma-rays emerge under appropriate conditions. If the cascade-initiating particles are collimated, the electrons and positrons emerge in a collimated beam. Such beams may power extragalactic double radio sources.

And why does it always go back to "looks like"? Why can't you ever attach numbers to this? What's the required magnetic field? What's the radius and the rotation speed of the "motor"? What are the voltages involved? What are the currents? If you can't get these even within a few orders of magnitude, you don't have a model.

Really?

Really?!

You are asking me to derive an extremely well known phenomenon to this one particular example? Isn't it just self obvious?

But then, PC folks have never had a model.

I've never actually seen evidence that you have ever read the detailed papers, Zig. You have mainly just educated me along the way on a lot of foolish assumptions I made in the past. Do you want me to PM you them? Or should I just post them again here?

 

[Zeuzzz]

Tum tee tum

The Crab Nebula has been showing some signs of behaving erratically, producing …

The Crab Nebula is the result of a supernova observed by Chinese astronomers in 1064, making it one of the more recent remnants available to study. Its core contains a rapidly spinning pulsar, which helps power a shockwave that produces emissions that run from the infrared, across the visible, and into the gamma-ray portion of the spectrum. In general, its output has been so consistent that astronomers have actually used it to calibrate orbiting observatories. But over the last few years, several of these observatories have picked up sudden surges in the nebula's output that hint at electrons traveling with energies of a Peta-electron Volt.

These outbursts don't come along that often—there seem to have only been three of them since 2007—and they last for just a handful of days. But we've now got a set of telescopes capable of picking up these events, and two of them, Fermi and AGILE, each caught two of the three (one occurred before Fermi was in orbit; AGILE was pointing in a different direction during another).

The events ranged from four days to about two weeks, and involved an increase in the gamma-ray output that was over eight standard deviations above the background. Most events we're aware of that can create photons with the energies detected take a long time to dissipate, so the relatively brief and erratic nature of these events limits the number of phenomena that can describe them. Both the AGILE and the Fermi groups conclude there's only one process that is likely to do the trick: synchrotron radiation.

This comes from when charged particles have their paths bent by electric or magnetic fields, causing them to emit radiation that's proportional to their speeds. In order to emit radiation that's in the gamma-ray region, however, these things have to be moving very, very fast. That's where the authors' estimate of over a PeV comes from. By way of contrast, The LHC is currently operating in the low TeV range.

And that's a bit of a problem: "These are the highest energy particles that can be associated with a discrete astronomical source, and they pose challenges to particle acceleration theory." In short, although we know there are electric fields around, we don't know how they could generate a field strong enough to push electrons around at these energies. "The Crab Nebula is powered by the central neutron star which acts as a DC unipolar inductor and a source of an AC striped wind," the authors write. "What happens to the DC and AC current flows is controversial." They hope that continued observations will catch enough of these events to figure out precisely where in the nebula they come from, and what physical structures that corresponds to.

Science, 2010. DOI: 10.1126/science.1199705, 10.1126/science.1200083 (About DOIs).

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/739

ABSTRACT

A young and energetic pulsar powers the well-known Crab Nebula. Here, we describe two separate gamma-ray (photon energy greater than 100 mega–electron volts) flares from this source detected by the Large Area Telescope on board the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. The first flare occurred in February 2009 and lasted approximately 16 days. The second flare was detected in September 2010 and lasted approximately 4 days. During these outbursts, the gamma-ray flux from the nebula increased by factors of four and six, respectively. The brevity of the flares implies that the gamma rays were emitted via synchrotron radiation from peta–electron-volt (1015 electron volts) electrons in a region smaller than 1.4 × 10−2 parsecs. These are the highest-energy particles that can be associated with a discrete astronomical source, and they pose challenges to particle acceleration theory.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/736

ABSTRACT

The well-known Crab Nebula is at the center of the SN1054 supernova remnant. It consists of a rotationally powered pulsar interacting with a surrounding nebula through a relativistic particle wind. The emissions originating from the pulsar and nebula have been considered to be essentially stable. Here, we report the detection of strong gamma-ray (100 mega–electron volts to 10 giga–electron volts) flares observed by the AGILE satellite in September 2010 and October 2007. In both cases, the total gamma-ray flux increased by a factor of three compared with the non-flaring flux. The flare luminosity and short time scale favor an origin near the pulsar, and we discuss Chandra Observatory x-ray and Hubble Space Telescope optical follow-up observations of the nebula. Our observations challenge standard models of nebular emission and require power-law acceleration by shock-driven plasma wave turbulence within an approximately 1-day time scale.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sigh.

Because obviously the further away they get the less dense, more diffuse and less radiation they will emit.

That's not an answer. There's also more space that your line of sight intercepts, so the diffusivity doesn't explain it.

I am unaware of a publication that has directly modelled the unipolar properties of this particular system to reference, but there are many others on similar systems.

Those don't look that similar to me.

I'm spoilt for choice, but would you like me to reference the implied voltages, amps, accretion morphologies and spectra for black holes, pulsars, binary systems, planets, comets and extrapolate them to the crab nebula?

Come up with numbers however you like, but come up with them or there's not much to discuss.

Really?

Really?!

You are asking me to derive an extremely well known phenomenon to this one particular example? Isn't it just self obvious?

No, it isn't "self obvious". Can you attach numbers to this of can you not?

I've never actually seen evidence that you have ever read the detailed papers, Zig. You have mainly just educated me along the way on a lot of foolish assumptions I made in the past.

Funny how that works: if you can't get the basics right, the "detailed papers" don't really matter.

 

[Zeuzzz]

You've actually got me thinking now.

If you consider a neutron star or pulsar that has a radius R_x with a a surface B-field of B_x which acts a perfect conductor (ideal plasma) you could work out the induced electromotive force developed in between the equator and the poles and the corresponding potential difference if you knew the data involved .... but I expect you'll have to factor in frame dragging effects and quadrupolar considerations, and I'm a bit sketchy on them, but could look it up if I have the time maybe.

 

[Perpetual Student]

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The new Chandra X-Ray Telescope has recorded detailed pictures of the heart of the Crab Nebula, first seen on Earth in the year 1054. Here are pictures of the Crab at x- ray (Chandra), optical (Palomar), infrared (Keck), and radio (VLA) wavelengths.

Looks like a bunny? No.
Looks like a diffuse and slightly filamentary optical nebula? Yes.
Looks more homogenous at radio and infrared frequencies? Yes.
Looks like the x-ray spectrum indicates a distinct structure and mechanism underlying the nebula unapparent before by studying the other frequencies of the EM spectrum? Yes.
Looks like the xray spectrum shows the morphology of a huge Unipolar inductor? Yes.
Is it a bunny? No
Is it more likely a Unipolar inductor than a bunny? Yes.

Zzzeuzzzz:
What those images look like to an untrained layman has no scientific significance. If you have a real scientific statement to offer (accompanied by a detailed mathematical analysis of the physics involved), let's have it.

Otherwise if it looks like a unicorn, the tooth fairy is our savior!

 

[Zeuzzz]

You've actually got me thinking now.

If you consider a neutron star or pulsar that has a radius R_x with a a surface B-field of B_x which acts a perfect conductor (ideal plasma) you could work out the induced electromotive force developed in between the equator and the poles and the corresponding potential difference if you knew the data involved .... but I expect you'll have to factor in frame dragging effects and quadrupolar considerations, and I'm a bit sketchy on them, but could look it up if I have the time maybe.

Approximating neutron stars as powerful accelerators with radius R_x with the strength of the B-Field on its surface as B_x acting as a perfect conductor as in an ideal plasma the spinning star will develop a quadrupole electric field E_x with additional effects on the surface, assuming its dipolar magnetic field is immersed in a vacuum.

Defining Q as the quadrupole moment π/3.B_x/(cP).R_x⁵
(Note: π is Pi, I've given up on latex here)

From this the electrostatic potential Φ corresponding to the polar coordinates r and θ would be

Φ(r,θ) = − [Q/(r³3)] x 3cos²θ − 1

The induced electromotive force between the equatorial line and one of the arbitrarily selected poles should be the difference in the electrostatic potential so (1/2c).BΩR_x². Thus the corresponding voltage drop is 3×10¹⁶B¹²R₆².P⁻¹ V

The crab pulsar has I think a spin of P = 0.31s
The Radius is harder to find out, as we have to deal with what is a visible circumference or an exact one. Some places say 25km diameter, some say just 10.

If such a unipolar inductor was to operate in the Crab pulsar you only have to put in figures vaguely similar to the ones above to work out we are talking titanic voltages here, in the range of supplying an ion of iron to close to the energy of 10¹⁹eV. However this will only happen along the pole where they have the acceleration to do so and the fields lines are open and with a huge flux density (not literally open, that's impossible, but more open than anywhere else on the star).

I have not defined E which will need to be done to work out the external electromagnetic effects from the magnetosphere under such high rotation speeds. But that would start to get complex.

 

[Reality Check]

Looks like the xray spectrum shows the morphology of a huge Unipolar inductor? Yes.

Looks like Zeuzzz making an unsupported assertion about an uncited x-ray spectrum. Yes.
Looks like Zeuzzz making an unsupported assertion about the uncited x-ray spectrum from a unipolar inductor. Yes.
Looks like Zeuzzz making an unsupported assertion about the comparison between these two spectra. Yes.

 

[Reality Check]

Tum tee tum

The Crab Nebula has been showing some signs of behaving erratically, producing …

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/739

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/736

Tum tee tum - Zeuzzz cannot understand what he cites does not state that the x-ray spectrum from the Crab Nebula is that of a unipolar inductor!

Zeuzzz, you do know that it is standard astrophysics to model pulsar magnetospheres as unipolar inductors and this has nothing to to with the scientific woo that is plasma cosmology?

For example: The magnetospheres of pulsars, Lasota, J. P. (1976) citing a 1969 paper !

The basic properties of pulsar magnetospheres are discussed and some attempts to construct appropriate models are examined. The basic concept, explaining how it is possible that a pulsar can create and maintain a charge separated plasma, is that of unipolar induction. An analysis after Goldreich and Julian (1969) of unipolar induction in a rotating, magnetized, perfectly conducting sphere is given. The sectoral structure of the magnetosphere follows from the theorem that in the magnetosphere of a rotating star with axisymmetric magnetic field, regions in which the dot product of the electric and magnetic fields is zero are corotating at an angular velocity constant along magnetic field lines.

 

[Reality Check]

Sigh.

Sigh.
Why are you citing standard astrophysics papers on the modeling of pulsar magnetosphere as unipolar inductors rather the plasma cosmology papers?

I suspect why - it is because plasma cosmology does not exist as shown in this thread!
It is nice to see that you have given up on the pc scientific woo.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Who was the first person to propose the unipolar inductor model for pulsars thats only now becoming accepted?

And what were his cosmological views?

The plasma circuitry unipolar inductor explanation of pulsars fits into a plasma cosmology philosophy very easily, yet when people look at this from their Big Bang philosophy it's a new mysterious event, and controversial to many astrophysicists.

Hint:
Hannes Alfvén, "Sur l'origine de la radiation cosmique" {[full}} (On the origin of cosmic radiation)" Comptes Rendus, 204, pp.1180-1181 (1937)
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k31562/f1180.table

 

[Reality Check]

Who was the first person to propose the unipolar inductor model for pulsars thats only now becoming accepted?

That woudl be Goldreich and Julian (1969).
There is no "unipolar inductor model for pulsars"
There is the unipolar inductor model for pulsar magnetospheres.

Goldreich and Julian were not stupid enough to be plasma cosmology proponents. They may have been Plasma Cosmology proponents at least until observations invalidated it.

ETA
Hint: 1995 is after 1969
(Radiation Properties of Pulsar Magnetospheres: Observation, Theory, and Experiment. K. Healy and A. Peratt, Astrophys. Space Sci. 227, 1995)

Hint: Pulsars were not discovered until 1969. 1937 is before what Zeuzzz?

And of cource, Hannes Alfvén was not stupid enough to be a plasma cosmology proponent (note the small p and c) becuase it takes a really ignorant person not to realize that pc does not exist!

 

[Reality Check]

plasma cosmology does not exist

Just to remind you, Zeuzzz: plasma cosmology does not exist!

Contrast this plasma cosmology which is not even cosmology (a scientific model about the cosmos) !

Originally Posted by Reality Check
Just to remind everyone that the question that this thread was started with has been answered:
The "plasma cosmology" supported by Zeuzzz, BeAChooser and others is definitely a nonscientific, crackpot theory (not woo).
The scientific theory of Plasma Cosmology is that of Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén. This was expanded upon by Anthony Peratt, especially in the area of galaxy formation.

But the "plasma cosmology" that has emerged in this thread is not Plasma Cosmology and is not a scientific theory. Since it's proponents claim that it is a scientific theory that makes it crackpottery.

The definition of "plasma cosmology"is that it is a collection of scientific theories (not one consistent scientific theory) with a common thread. This thread seems to be that the theory either emphasizes the contribution of plasma in the universe or is a steady state cosmological theory.

This collection allows the addition of any new theory that matches the criteria regardless of consistency with existing theories in the collection.
...list of the many mutally exclusive and mostly debunked theories snipped...

I will go as far as stating that plasma cosnology does not exist because no one has given the actual definition of it in this thread and it has not been found elsewhere.

And: Zeuzzz, Cite Alfvén's epistemic approach to cosmology paper
First asked 18th June 2012

 

[Zeuzzz]

OMG QUICK!

http://phys.org/news/2012-08-plasma-loops-solar-physics.html

Plasma loops created in the lab were recorded using high-speed cameras. Credit: Eve Stenson / California Institute of Technology In orbit around Earth is a wide range of satellites that we rely on for everything from television and radio feeds to GPS navigation. Although these spacecraft soar high above storms on Earth, they are still vulnerable to weather—only it's weather from the sun. Large solar flares—or plasma that erupts from the sun's surface—can cause widespread damage, both in space and on Earth, which is why researchers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) are working to learn more about the possible precursors to solar flares called plasma loops. Now, they have recreated these loops in the lab.

I better email them the hundreds of posts in this thread by members here mocking the idea that Earth bound plasma experiments can be extrapolated to large scale space phenomenon so they are aware of what a truly stupid idea this is.

My oh my.

This thread I have a feeling is going to get continually more and more hilarious, and the reason for the hilarity is going to have diametrically opposed reasons for half the people reading it.

 

[Ziggurat]

I better email them the hundreds of posts in this thread by members here mocking the idea that Earth bound plasma experiments can be extrapolated to large scale space phenomenon so they are aware of what a truly stupid idea this is.

Nice straw man. I don't recall anyone making that claim. But you can't just scale up any experiment with plasma and expect it to remain relevant to a given plasma system. You have to pick conditions which are directly amenable to such comparisons. These experimenters did that. Birkeland... did not, at least not in regards to the sun. I can't blame him, he was a pioneer working with very limited information, so there was little possibility that he could. But you have no such excuse.

This thread I have a feeling is going to get continually more and more hilarious, and the reason for the hilarity is going to have diametrically opposed reasons for half the people reading it.

Real physics proceeds apace. Yet you remain stuck in the 19th century.

 

[DeiRenDopa]

OMG! Did Z really, truly, write that?!?

News flash! Aliens discovered living on Earth!!

Z, you must be an alien ... your ideas of what constitutes logic, reason, etc are so clearly different from that of normal humans ...

And here's some confirmatory evidence: you seem to be quite unimpressed by what Michael Mozina wrote, yet he just as obviously used very similar "logic" (etc). Must be a characteristic of aliens, failure to recognize one's own kind ...

 

[Zeuzzz]

Nice straw man. I don't recall anyone making that claim. But you can't just scale up any experiment with plasma and expect it to remain relevant to a given plasma system. You have to pick conditions which are directly amenable to such comparisons. These experimenters did that. Birkeland... did not, at least not in regards to the sun. I can't blame him, he was a pioneer working with very limited information, so there was little possibility that he could. But you have no such excuse.

Birkeland has not much relevance to plasma cosmology. It was more what his work implied that inspired Alfven et al to develop the actual theories, maths, plasma modelling and predictions.

Read them yet?

Confirmation Of Radio Absorption.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Confirmation Of Radio Absorption.pdf
Force Free Magnetic Filaments.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Force Free Magnetic Filaments.pdf
Galactic Model of Element Formation.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Galactic Model of Element Formation.pdf
Intergalactic Radio Absorption And The COBE Data.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Intergalactic Radio Absorption And The COBE Data.pdf
Magnetic Self Compression No 1.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Magnetic Self Compression No 1.pdf
Magnetic Self Compression No 2.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Magnetic Self Compression No 2.pdf
Magnetic Vortex Filaments.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Magnetic Vortex Filaments.pdf
On The Problem Of Big bang Nucleosynthesis.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/On The Problem Of Big bang Nucleosynthesis.pdf
Plasma Model an Alternative To The Big Bang.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Plasma Model an Alternative To The Big Bang.pdf
Radio Absorption By The Intergalactic Medium.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/Radio Absorption By The Intergalactic Medium.pdf
The Case Against The Big Bang.pdf
http://www.photonmatrix.com/pdf/The Case Against The Big Bang.pdf
Technical Paper on Plasma Cosmology and Big Bang
http://bigbangneverhappened.org/p27.htm

The following are all linked to directly in PDF form in this post.

Evolution of Colliding Plasmas, A. Peratt, J. Green, and D. Nielsen, Physical Review Letters, 44, pp. 1767-1770, 1980 (248K).

Microwave Generation from Filamentation and Vortex Formation within Magnetically Confined Electron Beams, A. L. Peratt and C. M. Snell, Physical Review Letters, 54, pp. 1167-1170, 1985

Evolution of the Plasma Universe: I. Double Radio Galaxies, Quasars, and Extragalactic Jets, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. Vol. PS-14, N.6, pp.639-660, December 1986.

Evolution of the Plasma Universe: II. The Formation of Systems of Galaxies, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. Vol. PS-14, N.6, pp.763-778, December 1986

The Role of Particle Beams and Electrical Currents in the Plasma Universe, A. L. Peratt, Laser and Particle Beams, vol.6, part.3, pp.471-491, 1988.

Synchrotron radiation spectrum for galactic-sized plasma filaments Peter, W.; Peratt, A.L. Plasma Science, IEEE Transactions on Volume 18, Issue 1, Feb 1990

Equilibrium of Intergalactic Currents, B. E. Meierovich and A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 20, p.891, 1992

The Evidence For Electrical Currents in Cosmic Plasma, A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans. Plasma Sci. 18, p.26 (1990)

Plasma and the universe: large scale dynamics, filamentation, and radiation Astrophysics and Space Science Volume 227, Numbers 1-2 / May, 1995

Electric space: Evolution of the plasma universe Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 244, Issue 1-2, pp. 89-103, 1996

Advances in Numerical Modeling of Astrophysical and Space Plasma, A. L. Peratt, Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 256, Numbers 1-2 / March, 1997 [not full text, PM me if you want the full paper]

Advances in Numerical Modeling of Astrophysical and Space Plasma, Part II Astrophysical Force Laws on the Large Scale. A. L. Peratt, Astrophysics and Space Science Volume 256, 1998

Real physics proceeds apace. Yet you remain stuck in the 19th century.

Test me.

I dare you.

 

[Zeuzzz]

DRD your posts are getting ever and ever more bizarre, like RC's are too. More smileys, more emotion, more accusations, less science, less reasoning and less productivity. I hope you are ok.

 

[Dancing David]

OMG QUICK!

http://phys.org/news/2012-08-plasma-loops-solar-physics.html



I better email them the hundreds of posts in this thread by members here mocking the idea that Earth bound plasma experiments can be extrapolated to large scale space phenomenon so they are aware of what a truly stupid idea this is.

My oh my.

This thread I have a feeling is going to get continually more and more hilarious, and the reason for the hilarity is going to have diametrically opposed reasons for half the people reading it.

And this is related to cosmology how? Plasma yes, cosmology no.

 

[Ziggurat]

DRD your posts are getting ever and ever more bizarre, like RC's are too. More smileys, more emotion, more accusations, less science, less reasoning and less productivity. I hope you are ok.

I'm pretty sure he's just mocking you.