Plasma Cosmology - Woo or not

Something we can detect via radiation from the EM spectrum which contains data.
So now you agree that we have observed dark matter :eye-poppi:
  • Hot ICM (radiation from the EM spectrum which contains data).
  • Gravitational lensing for cold ICM (also radiation from the EM spectrum which contains data).
  • Thus direct empirical evidence that dark matter exists (and is non-baryonic).
But there are also observations that are "something we can detect via non-radiation from the EM spectrum which contains data", e.g. the absense of x-ray flares showing that candidate black holes do not have surfaces.
 
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So if (ν, σν ) are (3.02, 0.07) and (3.13, 0.06) with a couple of cursory assumptions
P(>3000) = 3.3×10−11 and 3.6×10−9 at z = 0 and 0.5, respectively.

Show your working. I feel like i'm back at uni :D
Your working should include your sources for the numbers.
"a couple of cursory assumptions" suggests numbers you made up.

ETA
The "Hayashi, E., White, S. D. M. 2006, MNRAS, 370, L38" citation in the paper is to How rare is the bullet cluster?
The galaxy cluster 1E 0657-56 has a bullet-like subcluster that is moving away from the centre of the main cluster at high speed. Markevitch et al. (2004) recently estimated a relative velocity of Vbullet = 4500+1100-800kms-1, based on observations of the bow shock in front of the subcluster. The weak lensing analysis of Clowe, Gonzalez & Markevitch (2004) indicates that a substantial secondary mass peak is associated with this subcluster. We estimate the likelihood of such a configuration by examining the distribution of subhalo velocities for clusters in the Millennium Run, a large Λ cold dark matter (ΛCDM) cosmological simulation. We find that the most massive subhalo has a velocity as high as that of the bullet subcluster in only about one out of every 100 cluster-sized haloes. This estimate is strongly dependent on the precise velocity adopted for the bullet. One of the 10 most massive subhaloes has such a high velocity about 40 per cent of the time. We conclude that the velocity of the bullet subcluster is not exceptionally high for a cluster substructure, and can be accommodated within the currently favoured ΛCDM cosmogony
 
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Much of what we see is visible because light produced by some other source scatters or reflects off it (exceptions include things that produce visible light themselves, like the sun, lightbulbs, and glowing things, and things that absorb light, like the entrance to a hole).

The bullet cluster made dark matter visible in exactly that ordinary way - the dark matter scattered EM radiation (via gravitational lensing), so we could observe it.

Something we can detect via radiation from the EM spectrum which contains data.

But this definition is so general (although why you restrict it to EM radiation is mysterious) it includes all previous observations of dark matter too. Through gravity, DM affects the positions of stars, and it can be detected by data contained in the EM radiation groups of stars emit.
 
Every once in a while I poke my head back in to one of the neverending Zeuzzz threads. Usually I pop right back out, but Zeuzzz has just said something very important:

That post from Tim was a good post. But I feel he is still dodging the elephant in the room. You can use literature in astronomy to imply many different things in the context of which theory you are viewing it through.

This is, in a sense, the purest statement of crackpotty denialism. Sure, Zeuzzz says, you look at The Bullet Cluster and interpret it as evidence of dark matter, but I can look at it and interpret it as evidence of a double-layer Z-pinched plasmoid helix! Pick a different theory and you get a different interpretation, right?

No, you don't. That's what you get if you are an incompetent dorm-room philosopher. Democritus says matter is atomic! Parmenides says change is an illusion! They disagree! Welp, we don't know any relevant or discriminating details, and I only photocopied the first five pages of the course packet! I guess this will continue to be a topic for meaningless opinionizing! Great!

Here in real life, the Bullet Cluster and MACS J0025.4-1222 (whose discoverers are friends of mine) have actual, relevant data. There is a hypothesis about them---"they're colliding galaxy clusters containing dark matter, galaxies, and gas"---which actually makes sense in excruciating detail. There are a stack of alternative hypotheses---including "they're galaxy clusters without cold dark matter", "they're not actually colliding", "they're galaxy clusters with interacting warm dark matter", to name a few---which can be studied in detail and ruled out. This is clear in the data, it's clear in the primary literature, it's clear in the secondary literature, it's clear in the tertiary literature, and it's clear in the literature written by people actively trying to forge non-dark-matter explanations.

And then there's Zeuzzzology. Zeuzzzology looks at the Bullet Cluster literature, settles deeper into its dorm-room beanbag, and says "Dude, doesn't Parmenides say motion is impossible? Doesn't Democritus say the void is like one hand clapping? Doesn't Alfven say the universe is 99% plasma? They disagree! Welp, I don't know any relevant or discriminating details, so this will continue to be a topic for meaningless opinionizing! Great!

Or, in another sense, Zeuzzz is right. You can read the literature using different assumptions and reach different conclusions. For example, you can use the "science" paradigm or the "crackpot trolling" paradigm.

Within the paradigm of "let's apply laws of physics and see whether they work", you reach one conclusion, which turns out to include the implication of dark matter or modified gravity. Within the paradigm of "Let's look at a picture, compare it to pictures in Alfven's papers, and seek out confirmatory-sounding Google search summaries" technique, you can conclude that the Bullet Cluster is a coffee stain on Hubble's CCD. Or a voltaic pile. Or ball lightning.

Two paradigms disagree, dude! Whoa! My mind is so blown I can't even get out of this beanbag. Dark matter! Plasma! Woooooo! It's like that Schwarzenegger movie where you still don't know at the end! My Heidigger TA says that ... um, I forget. What if it's like, dark plasma? Or, or, or, or, or, get this, matter plasma?
 
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Your working should include your sources for the numbers.
"a couple of cursory assumptions" suggests numbers you made up.


The numbvers are in the text I linked to.

And the cursory assumptions are just that care is needed with the above calculation as its referring to the tail of the distribution, where the fits may not always be 100% accurate.
 
The numbvers are in the text I linked to.
Do you mean this "text":
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008MNRAS.389..967M
Simulating the Bullet Cluster
Mastropietro, Chiara; Burkert, Andreas
which has no values of ν, σν or P()?

This is a paper that has multiple simulations of just the Bullet Cluster and states that
According to the newest estimates from X-ray and gravitational lensing results the Hayashi & White (2006) likelihood becomes 0.8 × 10−7 (Farrar & Rosen 2007) which means that
1E0657-56 represents an extremely rare system in a CDM universe.
so that your value is wrong?

N.B. The Bullet cluster is rare but not unexpected:
How rare is the bullet cluster? Hayashi & White (2006)
We conclude that the velocity of the bullet subcluster is not exceptionally high for a cluster substructure, and can be accommodated within the currently favoured ΛCDM cosmogony.

ETA: Farrar & Rosen 2007 looks like A New Force in the Dark Sector?

And the "text" that you should have linked to may be: Bullet Cluster: A Challenge to ΛCDM Cosmology
 
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And the "text" that you should have linked to may be: Bullet Cluster: A Challenge to ΛCDM Cosmology
What this means is that the results from these ΛCDM simulations in 2010 was that clusters like the Bullet cluster have a very low likelihood (~10-10 probability).

Of course the results from all of the pc simulations that have ever been run is that not even galaxies are possible :jaw-dropp!
 
From another thread
PC originally did in fact predict a fractal distribution of matter with density being inversely proportional to the distance of separation of objects.
Wow - Zeuzzz provides a testable, falsifiable prediction of pc.
Fractal cosmology: The universe is homogeneous!
  1. Tegmark et al (10 May 2004). "The Three-Dimensional Power Spectrum of Galaxies from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey". The Astrophysical Journal 606 (2): 702-740. arXiv:astro-ph/0310725. Bibcode 2004ApJ...606..702T. doi:10.1086/382125.
  2. ^ Hogg, David W.; Eisenstein, Daniel J.; Blanton, Michael R.; Bahcall, Neta A.; Brinkmann, J.; Gunn, James E.; Schneider, Donald P. (2005). "Cosmic homogeneity demonstrated with luminous red galaxies". The Astrophysical Journal 624: 54–58. arXiv:astro-ph/0411197. Bibcode 2005ApJ...624...54H. doi:10.1086/429084.
and pc is false.
 
I am loath to revive this long-dead thread, but Eric Lerner (author of "The Big Bang Never Happened") is here and wants to defend his cosmology theories. Let's start.

Eric, your main argument appears to be the Tolman Surface Brightness Test.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.0275

The Tolman Surface Brightness Test makes the geometrical statement that in flat spacetime, if we have two copies of the same object of known size D and radiated power P, one at distance A and one at distance B, their relative areas should be D^2/A^2 and D^2/B^2 respectively; their detected brightnesses should P^2/A^2 and P^2/B^2 respectively, and therefore the brightness per unit area is independent of distance. Tolman suggested in the 1950s that we could use this to test our cosmic distance measurements.

The paper contains the following (correct!) statement.

In this paper, we do not compare data to the LCDM model. We only remark that any effort to fit such data to LCDM requires hypothesizing a size evolution of galaxies with z.

Fortunately, we have abundant data showing that all sorts of galaxy sizes and properties do indeed evolve with z---indeed, Lerner has used data from GALEX (the Galaxy Evolution Explorer) whose name might have been a tipoff if no other information had been available. A nice recent review is: http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.0007

Lerner says he is comparing data to a "static universe model"---as with his plasma papers, there is no citation that allows the reader to figure out precisely what he's referring to. If we take this statement at face value:

In this paper we are examining the consistency of data on the SB of galaxies using the static Euclidean model with redshift proportional to distance. We therefore do not expect any evolutionary effects either in size or luminosity, in contrast to expectations in LCDM models

What? We have a tremendous amount of data showing that galaxy metallicities, stellar populations or colors, quasar/AGN activity, and populations vary over redshift. Are you saying that that's all wrong, and your model says that galaxy populations are static? Or are you saying that in your model you predict that metallicity/population/morphology can change, but some other effect or coincidence UV surface brightness to be constant?
 
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Thread necromancy!

Zeuzzz relocated to the Skeptic Society forum for his "fringe reset." I have had the pleasure of trying to get Zeuzzz to answer a direct question, for two years.

I had a dream, that one day bannings could be international and transferable to different forums.
:)
 

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