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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Giordano said:
Clayton,

You do realize that you've established a pattern of posting links that actually disprove the points you are seeking to make? My apologies if I'm wrong, but I think it's because you don't fully understand the biology, so you read the words in a Wikipedia or similar article, see some that you think support your argument, but they really often mean the opposite.

As I've mentioned before, this also leaves you vunerable to believing the distortions and lies posted on anti-vaccination sites.

Learn more about biology and the immune system. I think it will change your mind about vaccines. But even if it doesn't, it will allow you to make more respectable arguments in support of your positions. And I think you will find it fascinating.
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Here's another one that disproves my view that vaccines could possibly be dangerous.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htm

It, in part, explains that formaldehyde is safe for infants.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Here's another one that disproves my view that vaccines could possibly be dangerous.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htm

It, in part, explains that formaldehyde is safe for infants.
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Ignoring the fact that your stated view to date has not be "could possibly be" but "absolutely are unacceptably", you're quite right (for once) that this link does exactly as you describe. Not least when it explains that:

Formaldehyde is also produced naturally in the human body as a part of normal functions of the body to produce energy and build the basic materials needed for important life processes. This includes making amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins that the body needs.

Formaldehyde is also found in the environment and is present in different ways. It is used in building materials, as a preservative in labs and to produce many household products.

The body continuously processes formaldehyde, both from what it makes on its own and from what it has been exposed to in the environment. The amount of formaldehyde in a person’s body depends on their weight; babies have lower amounts than adults. Studies have shown that for a newborn of average weight of 6 -8 pounds, the amount of formaldehyde in their body is 50-70 times higher than the upper amount that they could receive from a single dose of a vaccine or from vaccines administered over time (1,2,3).
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So once again, one has to wonder why you post links that shoot your pet delusion about childhood vaccines in both feet, the ankles and the knees?
 
Thanks for the link, CM, but I have the impression it doesn't quite back up your idea.
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/ScienceResearch/ucm284520.htm
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From the linked article:
Aluminum is incorporated into some vaccines as an adjuvant. The purpose of formulating vaccines with adjuvants is to increase the immune response to the,
antigen (the component of the vaccine that stimulates the immune system to make antibodies). When FDA evaluates a vaccine for safety and effectiveness, an adjuvant such as aluminum, is considered to be a part of the vaccine, rather than a component that is licensed separately.

Vaccines containing an aluminum adjuvant have a demonstrated safety profile of over six decades of use and have only uncommonly been associated with severe local reactions. But because the public has expressed concerns that aluminum in vaccines might pose a risk to infants, FDA performed an updated analysis of the safety of aluminum adjuvants.
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Where did you get the idea vaccines were immersed in aluminium?
 
pakeha said:
Thanks for the link, CM, but I have the impression it doesn't quite back up your idea.




From the linked article:
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Vaccines containing an aluminum adjuvant have a demonstrated safety profile of over six decades of use and have only uncommonly been associated with severe local reactions. But because the public has expressed concerns that aluminum in vaccines might pose a risk to infants, FDA performed an updated analysis of the safety of aluminum adjuvants.
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It's always amusing to read something that is obviously dancing with words to downplay risk.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It's always amusing to read something that is obviously dancing with words to downplay risk.
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what risk is being downplayed -- do you even know what a "local reaction" is and why it might occur?

What am I saying: of *course* you don't.

And I notice that you blithely skip over the fact that a human body, internally and as a normal part of metabolism, produces far more formaldehyde than one could ever get from a vaccine. As does everyone else.

And leave us not forget that your overall "point" has been that it is not possible to determine the safety of vaccines -- and this is now the second link you've posted which report on exactly that issue.

Are you ever going to support your crap about "immersion in aluminum" or even attempt to document this happening or being an issue?

How about that "instant death" thing? Hasn't the 10-year-old gotten back to you to tell you what to say about that blunder? Maybe *he* can come up with something to explain how a vaccine ends up in the GI tract -- and how it is that he managed to avoid autism himself.

I hereby coin a new acronym (please note, Darat, explicitly defined) : PaL

Pointing and Laughing.

I have a feeling it's going to see a lot of use, especially in threads started by cm.
 
...Aluminum is incorporated into some vaccines as an adjuvant. The purpose of formulating vaccines with adjuvants is to increase the immune response to the,
antigen (the component of the vaccine that stimulates the immune system to make antibodies). When FDA evaluates a vaccine for safety and effectiveness, an adjuvant such as aluminum, is considered to be a part of the vaccine, rather than a component that is licensed separately.
Vaccines containing an aluminum adjuvant have a demonstrated safety profile of over six decades of use and have only uncommonly been associated with severe local reactions. But because the public has expressed concerns that aluminum in vaccines might pose a risk to infants, FDA performed an updated analysis of the safety of aluminum adjuvants.
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Clayton Moore said:
It's always amusing to read something that is obviously dancing with words to downplay risk.
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Actually, CM, what I take away from that link is this
because the public has expressed concerns that aluminum in vaccines might pose a risk to infants, FDA performed an updated analysis of the safety of aluminum adjuvants.
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I think that's what we all want isn't it?
Up-dating and response to public concerns?
 
TSR said:
Are you ever going to support your crap about "immersion in aluminum" or even attempt to document this happening or being an issue?
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He never does support the male bovine excrement that he posts and then he wonders why we don't take him seriously.
 
Clayton Moore said:
These people don't get that the same companies who make the killer drugs like VIOXX make vaccines. Which would seem to be easier measure and easier to ensure safety? Inert substances like drugs or concoctions of live and or dead materials immersed in aluminum and stuff ( to stimulate a toddler's immune system)?
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Were you ever vaccinated?
 
Baby dies from whooping cough in South Carolina.

I wonder will the anti-vaccination loons be accepting some of the responsibility?
The state on Monday reported the first infant death this year from pertussis, commonly known as whooping cough.
The 2-month-old child was from Forsyth County, according to the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services.
Whooping cough is highly contagious and spread usually by coughing or sneezing in close contact. It can be serious at any age, but it is life-threatening in newborns and infants who are too young to be fully vaccinated, state health officials said. Many infants who get whooping cough are infected by caregivers who may not know they have the disease.
Officials are strongly urging parents to take precautions to safeguard their children against whooping cough. Children should have current vaccinations and boosters, and adults who interact with children also should be immunized.
“Babies and young children are not fully immunized until they have finished a series of vaccinations, so their only protection against whooping cough is the people around them,” State Health Director Dr. Laura Gerald said. “Anyone who lives with or will be around a baby should be vaccinated.”
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More.
 
I double checked with my doctor that I was up to date on my 10-year Tetanus booster, since that also includes a Pertussis (and Diphtheria) booster these days, before I visited my mom in a nursing home in Vermont. The elderly can be just as vulnerable.
 
Clayton Moore said:
If I saw a scraggly cat attempting to cross a street with some traffic I'd holler at it to try to put it wise. If the people here don't wanna listen I'll feel bad for those who depend on them but I can't be bothered if they trust the people with a vested interest in the profits vaccines.

Not too long ago posters were repeating the vaccine maker's lament that vaccines weren't really that profitable. :jaw-dropp


I do sincerely hope that no one here needs a tragedy to take place before they wake up.
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Gee, Clayton, is there any boogeyman in which you don't believe ?
 
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