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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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we had the thalidomide traedy in the 70s already we know what can go wrong with vaccines and they are not perfect however they have a long track record of overall success which you have not disproved in any way shape or form Mr Moore.

You have no evidence
 
Redtail said:
Based on what?
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The entity giving him the information, apparently...

From a government agency? Lies.
From a well-established, private medical organization? Lies.
From some stranger with no apparent medical education or professional experience? The damn truth, and anyone who doesn't agree is a terrible person and a potential murderer.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The benefits of primary immunization are usually greater than the potential risks
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If that's not a red flag that should give pause,
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It is and does for children who have a history of thrombocytopenia

That para in full:

Children who have a history of thrombocytopenia or thrombocytopenic purpura may be at increased risk for developing clinically significant thrombocytopenia after MMR vaccination (172,175). Although thrombocytopenia can be life threatening, no deaths have been reported as a direct consequence of vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia. The decision to vaccinate with MMR should depend on the benefits of immunity to measles, mumps, and rubella and the risks for recurrence or exacerbation of thrombocytopenia after vaccination or during natural infection with measles or rubella. The benefits of primary immunization are usually greater than the potential risks, and administration of MMR vaccine is justified, particularly with regard to the even greater risk for thrombocytopenia after measles or rubella disease. However, avoiding a subsequent dose of MMR vaccine may be prudent if an episode of thrombocytopenia occurred within approximately 6 weeks after a previous dose of the vaccine. Serologic evidence of measles immunity among such persons may be sought in lieu of MMR vaccination.
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Was it just the big words that threw you?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
These people don't get that the same companies who make the killer drugs like VIOXX make vaccines. Which would seem to be easier measure and easier to ensure safety? Inert substances like drugs or concoctions of live and or dead materials immersed in aluminum and stuff ( to stimulate a toddler's immune system)?
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It's adorable how you try to imitate scientific knowledge.
 
000063 said:
It's adorable how you try to imitate scientific knowledge.
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Not sure he knows the definition of 'inert'.
1. Unable to move or act.
2. Sluggish in action or motion; lethargic. See Synonyms at inactive.
3. Chemistry Not readily reactive with other elements; forming few or no chemical compounds.
4. Having no pharmacologic or therapeutic action.

So a drug that is inert is an oxymoron.

Also love the scientific term,"stuff".
 
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Clayton Moore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_gastrointestinal_tract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_gastrointestinal_tract#Immune_function
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Clayton,
Those are excellent articles! But I must ask: did you read and understand them? Because neither indicate that an antigen (or most other substances) introduced into the blood will end up in the gut. As stated before, with some exceptions (cholesterol, etc) compounds in the blood stream are more often filtered out by the kidneys, not the gut. I am happy to tell you more about how it all works if you are interested.

The articles describe the secretory component of the immune system, which includes IgAs, and how microbes already in the gut from food and water can induce and be attacked by the immune system. If you haven't read about this, I recommend it- figuring out how this works is an amazing success of science and medicine.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
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I do sincerely hope that no one here needs a tragedy to take place before they wake up.
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The only possible tragedy I see is innocent children (and other vulnerable populations) dying of vaccine-preventable diseases because enough ignorant parents fell for vaccination CTs to create a gap in herd immunity.
Vaccines are one of the greatest advances of modern medicine... an ounce of prevention is worth (well more than) a pound of cure.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Did you hear the haphazard method of cultivating vaccines using the tissue of aborted fetuses?

Did you listen to the fact that formaldehyde is used to preserve tissue used for vaccines for the same reason funeral directors use it?

Did you hear that when lung tissue is used to cultivate a vaccine the immune system fights the recipients lung function and causes asthma?
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This is why I keep urging you to teach yourself more about biology and the immune system. These web sites are using scary words to try to frighten you! If you understood what really was going on, like many of the posters here, you would know the truth and would recognize how these anti- vaccine sites are lying to you!

Some vaccines are produced in cells originally isolated from human fetuses. These cells were first isolated years or decades ago, kept in very pure culture and repeatedly and carefully studied to be certain they are safe. That's one reason why they use fetal cells- to avoid any risk that the donor already had an unknown disease.

Formaldehyde is used to kill pathogenic organisms by cross linking macromolecules. It is a very safe way to create a killed microbe vaccine. It is easy to inactvate after it's purpose is served; there is no active formaldehyde in the final vaccine.

See- once you know the truth about the biology the words are not so scary- in fact they are reassuring because they show how much effort is devoted to making vaccines safe.

Would you please reference the science paper about the lung auto-immunity so I can discuss it with you? I don't know of any such study, and from what I do know, a great deal of vaccine preparation is devoted to eliminate any antigens that might cause this kind of reaction.
 
Giordano said:
Would you please reference the science paper about the lung auto-immunity so I can discuss it with you? I don't know of any such study, and from what I do know, a great deal of vaccine preparation is devoted to eliminate any antigens that might cause this kind of reaction.
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Dude! THE TEN-YEAR-OLD SAID vaccines caused his asthma.

Was he lying??????
 
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By the way, Clayton, you should read up on how the IgAs themselves (not the antigens) get to the intestinal tract! They can start on the blood side and are transported all the way across the cells lining the gut into the intestinal lumen. Science-it's amazing!
 
Giordano Ihave enjoyed reading your posts and have learnt some new things from it, unfortunatly from experience to date I do not think Mr Moore will want to learn or read what you have asked him to.
 
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fallout said:
...Vaccines are mostly a scam, and the CT's are mostly right, despite some usual exaggerations and fake infos. ...
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Fake infos from CTs?
Tell me more.


Clayton Moore said:
... Which would seem to be easier measure and easier to ensure safety? Inert substances like drugs or concoctions of live and or dead materials immersed in aluminum and stuff ( to stimulate a toddler's immune system)?
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Awesome claims, CM!
I'd like to learn more about the 'immersed in aluminium' claims.
Could you point me to some sourcing for them?
 
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Nope. Nothing there about "concoctions of live and or dead materials immersed in aluminum".

Did you even read it? 'Cause it's kind of funny that after casting aspersions on the very *ability* to determine the safety of vaccines, you would link to a study which does exactly that.
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I made a point in another thread about truthers and their ilk reading different words in these articles than we do. Or they don't read them.
 
And I agreed with you, right after a certain person provided us with a demonstration.
 
Clayton,

You do realize that you've established a pattern of posting links that actually disprove the points you are seeking to make? My apologies if I'm wrong, but I think it's because you don't fully understand the biology, so you read the words in a Wikipedia or similar article, see some that you think support your argument, but they really often mean the opposite.

As I've mentioned before, this also leaves you vunerable to believing the distortions and lies posted on anti-vaccination sites.

Learn more about biology and the immune system. I think it will change your mind about vaccines. But even if it doesn't, it will allow you to make more respectable arguments in support of your positions. And I think you will find it fascinating.
 
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