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2016 The Movie

Can I make a Obama 2016 prediction first?

OK, assuming Republicans hold Congress the way they have the past two years: Unemployment will be around 6%, Debt will be pretty high, and we still have deficits, but interest on the debt it is manageable due to low 2-3% interest rates.

US has had a minor re-insurgency of urban living and low fuel consumption vehicles, leading to stagnation of oil consumption. Much of this fuel still comes from Canadian tar sands.

Iran is under sanctions (duh), and is considered a rogue nation by those who do not rely upon it for cheap oil (business as usual).

Palestinian state exists in a way. Not yet recognized by US since that would require GOPers in Congress to vote for it.

We are finally out of Iraq & Afghanistan.

Trade deficit has been reduced. Big part is in increase in wages in developing countries, and China's pursuit of economic equality, which puts pressure on industries in the country. India in turn is having trouble with providing its industry with electricity required to power new plants transferred from places like China.

US has continued to see a slight degradation of middle class. It still has to compete with low wage countries, and stagnant recovery has stomped wage growth. Housing prices are nearly the same as 4 years earlier, except that new housing has stepped up to deal with increased population.

Obama administration still has to deal with instances of corruption in financial and environmental circles. Finance has continued with dirty deals and environmental issues suffer from bribes and "matching regulations" issues, where something is only considered "polluted" if it exceeds Federal allowances.
 
daenku32 said:
Can I make a Obama 2016 prediction first?

OK, assuming Republicans hold Congress the way they have the past two years: Unemployment will be around 6%, Debt will be pretty high, and we still have deficits, but interest on the debt it is manageable due to low 2-3% interest rates......
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Low unemployment carries with it higher money velocity, hence inflation, so it is antithetical to 2-3% interest rates, even if the Fed continues or increases its purchases of treasuries above the 60% level.

I don't think many economists would agree that the 2-3% rates (artificial) could be carried on until 2016. Capital flight is already occurring, as savers can get better deals out of the USA.

But having said those things, your guesses mean that the corrections necessary to regain economic health are simply put off beyond 2016, which isn't exactly a good thing, as the corrections would involve that much more severity.
 
lopeyschools said:
Well I watched the trailer and I'm going to have to pass on this movie.

http://2016themovie.com/media/

1. I'm not a fan of docudramas
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Great reason to not see it. Hunger Games was certainly more interesting.

lopeyschools said:
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2. Seems like the whole premise of the movie is a false dichotomy. Obama wants to "downsize" America and the American founders (plus Dinesh, our hero) wanted to "grow liberty by growing America."
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I didn't leave with that impression at all. More like take someone with an anti colonialist view, how would they change America? Well, they'd cut out the things that had annoyed them from the anti-colonist point of view. It's essentially a 19th century perspective, but D'Souza suggests Obama developed this perspective as many do in third world countries. Dinesh is not portrayed as "a hero" or someone of "moral superiority", on the contrary, he notes he grew up in a similar environment.
 
Can I see this movie for free? If not can't, I can just get my fill of misinformation and speculation right here for free? Wonderfully enough from both sides.
 
mhaze said:
More like take someone with an anti colonialist view, how would they change America? Well, they'd cut out the things that had annoyed them from the anti-colonist point of view. It's essentially a 19th century perspective, but D'Souza suggests Obama developed this perspective as many do in third world countries. Dinesh is not portrayed as "a hero" or someone of "moral superiority", on the contrary, he notes he grew up in a similar environment.
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So, setting aside for the moment that his entire thesis is laughably false to begin with, does D'Souza think that Obama "changing America" in this fashion is a good thing, or a bad thing?
 
Mooseman said:
Can I see this movie for free? If not can't, I can just get my fill of misinformation and speculation right here for free? Wonderfully enough from both sides.
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Probably so after a while, Netflix.

ANTPogo said:
So, setting aside for the moment that his entire thesis is laughably false to begin with....
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Let's neither set aside that you don't understand his thesis, nor that you've repeatedly made things up as to what his ideas were, nor that you think you can pontificate on a guy who is light years your likely superior in intelligence and education. D'Souza for fun matches wits with Sherman, Hitchins, many others, and is as comfortable with athiests as religious people, conservatives as liberals.

Yeah, let's not set aside the arrogance which the internet breeds.
 
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mhaze said:
Let's neither set aside that you don't understand his thesis, nor that you've repeatedly made things up as to what his ideas were, nor that you think you can pontificate on a guy who is light years your likely superior in intelligence and education. D'Souza for fun matches wits with Sherman, Hitchins, many others, and is as comfortable with athiests as religious people, conservatives as liberals.

Yeah, let's not set aside the arrogance which the internet breeds.
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So, does D'Souza think that Obama "changing America" in this fashion is a good thing, or a bad thing?

Oh, and since you lamely dodged my question the first time, you get a bonus question: does the fact that Michael Moore's Sicko got a rating on Rotten Tomatoes nearly ten percentage points higher than D'Souza's magnum opus mean that Moore's documentary is that much more popular and accurate than "2016: Obama's America"?
 
ANTPogo said:
So, does D'Souza think that Obama "changing America" in this fashion is a good thing, or a bad thing? ...
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Hmmm....

I don't recall much in the way of moralistic or judgmental assumptions in that movie.

So are you asking what D'Souza personally believes, or what? Not that that would have much to do with the movie.
 
mhaze said:
I don't recall much in the way of moralistic or judgmental assumptions in that movie.

So are you asking what D'Souza personally believes, or what? Not that that would have much to do with the movie.
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No, I was specifically asking about the movie. I know what he personally believes.

I wanted to know if the movie says anything about what this hypothetical "Obama's America" of the year 2016 (the one that Obama seeks to create because of his anti-Colonialism) would be like, and if the movie makes any assessment as to whether "Obama's America" of the year 2016 would be good for America geostrategically (and for the American people in general), bad for America geostrategically (and for the American people in general), or simply business as usual for America and Americans, no different from the way things have always been in the post-9/11 era.
 
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ANTPogo said:
No, I was specifically asking about the movie. I know what he personally believes.

I wanted to know if the movie says anything about what this hypothetical "Obama's America" of the year 2016 (the one that Obama seeks to create because of his anti-Colonialism) would be like, and if the movie makes any assessment as to whether "Obama's America" of the year 2016 would be good for America geostrategically (and for the American people in general), bad for America geostrategically (and for the American people in general), or simply business as usual for America and Americans, no different from the way things have always been in the post-9/11 era.
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Then go watch it, since you don't seem to believe comments from someone who has seen it.
 
ANTPogo said:
Your comments don't seem to actually say anything about the content of the movie.
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Okay, under the relentless pressure, I'll confess.

The movie shows beyond a shadow of a doubt the removal of the brain of Stalin and it's preservation in temporary debrained Gulag prisoners, until it could be placed in the new child of a couple unsuspecting and naive Communist sympathizers in Hawaii, as well as the evil and hidden hand which guided the Freakn'Stalin to his current status as Bamster.
 
I heard about it on the radio. And promptly decided to give no ****s about it.
 
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