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2016 The Movie

JoeTheJuggler said:
You keep accusing me of having no facts, yet I've provided more than you.



So your defense now is that the filmmakers are inaccurately hyping their movie?

Bizarre--even for you.
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Defense? Hype? The hype is all on this thread, dude. The movie is pretty straightforward and factual. Maybe even dull. D'souza is somewhat of an intellectual. It's not biased though. Anyone could go see it and learn a hundred things about Obama that they did not know beforehand.
 
mhaze said:
Lol, a typical liberal with no facts arguing with second hand pap. Hey, Joe, you wouldn't think that maybe the lurid stuff was just, you know, ADVERTISING TECHNIQUES?
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So all that stuff in the movie trailer about Obama wanting to avenge the sins of colonialism isn't actually in the movie?

Fact: The movie trailer paints a picture of Obama intending to "downsize" America to avenge the sins of colonialism.

Baseless speculation: The movie trailer is misleading for marketing purposes.
 
Didn't I already mention "neo colonialism"? Maybe it's not understood what that means here. Wait, I already mentioned that the movie went into that. Does that have anything to do with the assertion the movie tells you "what to worry about"?

D'Souza goes into a great deal of depth about the world view of one growing up in colonialism and makes a case that Obama has that world view, further, that few people understand that or it's import. This is in direct opposition, incidentally, to something like making a case that Obama's a socialist or a communist, although I think one could argue the two directions are not mutually exclusive.

I certainly would have to agree with him that few people have any comprehension of this part of Obama, regardless of their orientation politically. The poster says "Obama: You don't know him" and the movie pretty much proves that out.
 
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Yes, Obama's an unknown wild card. Who knows what he'll do if he's ever elected President of the United States!

Oh, wait...
 
The second sentence in this trailer is a lie:


"Barrack Obama's journey to America can be traced back to the independence of Kenya, the land of his fathers."

But of course, Barrack Obama was born in America, so he had no such "journey to America". He was actually a natural born U.S. citizen 2 years before the Independent Republic of Kenya was founded.

Lest there be any confusion about the wording of this statement, it is placed in exact parallel to a statement D'Souza makes about himself. He was born in '47 in India just prior to India's gaining its independence.

ETA: Apparently Obama's political views are shaped by a fictional past.
 
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Joe, hey, calm down. Think about what you said...it makes NO SENSE. Then post again please.
 


This trailer begins by quoting a passage from Obama's Dreams from My Father. The voiceover then says:

Obama has a dream: a dream from his father--that the sins of colonialism be set right (?!!) and America be downsized.
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What? I thought it was the conservatives who wanted to shrink the federal government, and Obama who wants to raise taxes and increase spending.

And this statement is definitely not in any way supported by the excerpt from the book.

Sure. . .attempting to extend access to healthcare to as many Americans as possible is completely anathema to the dreams of the founding fathers. That's why the framers of the Constitution only mentioned the "general welfare" of the people twice--exactly the same number of times and in the same locations as they mentioned the "common defence". :rolleyes:
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
....this statement is definitely not in any way supported by the excerpt from the book.....
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Oh, the quote from the book must support something that the voiceover said? Why? Haven't you ever heard of a conclusion being the result of a number of facts and inferences?

What would an anti-colonialist think downsizing American influence would constitute? It would likely be quite different than the downsizing conservatives consider essential for fiscal sanity.

lopeyschools said:
What exactly is this statement supposed to mean? 79% of people who posted to rotten tomatoes can't be wrong?

:confused:
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It's not at all unusual for most of the people in the audience to like a movie, and for critics to not like it. That's routine for anything science fiction, of course. But recently this was seen with "Act of Valor", a really good movie - critics hated it. I'm suggesting that a bunch of reviews which are negative about 2016 can be tossed, of course, and that what matters is whether audiences like it. And the evidence is they do.

Don't be so quick to leap to conclusions based on critics of this movie (or any other for that matter). I think pretty much anyone liberal or conservative would have little problem and enjoy watching 2016.

BenBurch said:
Anybody who agrees with MHaze cannot be wrong.

Anybody who disagrees with MHaze cannot be right.

Simple, once you accept that he is omniscient.
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Pretty much correct....I'm in the unfortunate position of having SEEN THE MOVIE...

;)
 
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Uh, does this movie actually present any real information about Obama that wasn't known before? Or is all the supposed "new" stuff just the baseless, poorly assembled, brain vomit accusations of D'Souza?

I just want to know how many more steel pins to shove through my D'Souza Voodoo doll.
 
mhaze said:
Oh, the quote from the book must support something that the voiceover said? Why?
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Because it follows the quote and it uses the same words as the title of the book which are shown as text on the screen.

It clearly implies that the "dream from my father" that Obama was talking about was a dream of getting even for the sins of colonialism and downsizing America.
 
mhaze said:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2016_obamas_america/

79% liked the movie.
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So when I cited comments and reviews, you said, "Lol, a typical liberal with no facts arguing with second hand pap."

Now you're using the percentage of Rotten Tomatoes users who "liked" the movie as an argument that the movie isn't warning us to worry about how things will be in 2016 if Obama gets a second term?
 
mhaze said:
The movie is pretty straightforward and factual. Maybe even dull. D'souza is somewhat of an intellectual. It's not biased though. Anyone could go see it and learn a hundred things about Obama that they did not know beforehand.
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You make me laugh like a boy scout at jamboree hearing his first dirty joke after eating too many s'mores. Please post more!
 
mhaze said:
Oh, the quote from the book must support something that the voiceover said? Why? Haven't you ever heard of a conclusion being the result of a number of facts and inferences?

What would an anti-colonialist think downsizing American influence would constitute? It would likely be quite different than the downsizing conservatives consider essential for fiscal sanity.

It's not at all unusual for most of the people in the audience to like a movie, and for critics to not like it. That's routine for anything science fiction, of course. But recently this was seen with "Act of Valor", a really good movie - critics hated it. I'm suggesting that a bunch of reviews which are negative about 2016 can be tossed, of course, and that what matters is whether audiences like it. And the evidence is they do.

Don't be so quick to leap to conclusions based on critics of this movie (or any other for that matter). I think pretty much anyone liberal or conservative would have little problem and enjoy watching 2016.

Pretty much correct....I'm in the unfortunate position of having SEEN THE MOVIE...

;)
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Well I watched the trailer and I'm going to have to pass on this movie.

http://2016themovie.com/media/

1. I'm not a fan of docudramas

2. Seems like the whole premise of the movie is a false dichotomy. Obama wants to "downsize" America and the American founders (plus Dinesh, our hero) wanted to "grow liberty by growing America."
 
Before everybody rushes out to vote for Dinesh D'Souza I should let you know that he was not born in the United States and his real name is दिनेश डिसूज़ा ! :jaw-dropp
 
Halfcentaur said:
D'souza's debate with Hitchens was nothing but an exercise in the most common and shallow attacks against atheism, he even went so far as to accuse atheists of secretly believing in God.
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Which Hitchens-D'Souza debate was that? XXII or XXVIII?

The interminable series of debates they both had was obviously a business arrangement and not to be taken as a serious intellectual battle.
 
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