Antisemitism and The Goy

TSR said:
As is asked of cm up thread: why would another culture *require* a specific derogatory term for "non-Jewish'?

Do the Chinese have a specific derogatory term for "non-Vietnamese'?

Do Hawaiians have a specific derogatory term for "non-Icelandic'?

Do you see the issue?
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Oh absolutely. In a passive-aggressive way I was trying to mock the OP for the inexactitude of his wording.
 
Semite
a. Jewish person who utterly despises the goyim

Anti-Semite
a. non-Jewish person who utterly despises the Jews

Semites are good, while Anti-Semites are evil.
 
JJM 777 said:
Semite
a. Jewish person who utterly despises the goyim

Anti-Semite
a. non-Jewish person who utterly despises the Jews

Semites are good, while Anti-Semites are evil.
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The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Ahlamu, Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Ubarites, Dilmunites, Bahranis, Maltese, Mandaeans, Sabians, Syriacs, Mhallami, Amalekites and Ethiopian Semites.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage.

You weren't even close (which is okay), but was there a reason you didn't even try?
 
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Kid Eager said:
Indeed it does - by you, thinking that such word usage is unique to a single religious or ethnic group.

You've shown YOUR true colours by singling them out.

Even for a merkin, that's pretty dense.
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Clayton Moore is American? I am surprised.

Generally, antisemitic loons in US tend to be also anti-black, anti-Mexican, White Power Christians. Loons who are only anti-Jewish -- and especially those who (like Clayton) go to some pains to explain they are "only anti-Zionist", -- tend to spring from Europe.

But I suppose there are exceptions.

BTW, Russian language has a perfect word for all non-Russians -- "nyemetz". Which means "mute". Granted, over last 100 years or so "nyemetz" became synonymous with "German", but originally it meant all "others".
 
Straw Man said:
So, a Catholic in the west of Scotland or Northern Ireland calling a Protestant a Hun, or the Protestant calling Catholics Tims or Left-Footers is one example of two religious groups with derogatory words for each other.
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"Some have been known to call me...Tim?"
 
On antisemitism: I once had an argument with someone who balked at my calling him an anti-Semite on the grounds that "Modern Jews are not Semitic people. Semites are Arabs and Persians."

That's right, the defense against the charge of antisemitism was to literally say "No, the Jews I hate are not Semitic!"
 
Y'all know that "goy" is primarily a Yiddish thing, right? It's not really used by Mizrahi or Sephardic Jews.
 
squealpiggy said:
On antisemitism: I once had an argument with someone who balked at my calling him an anti-Semite on the grounds that "Modern Jews are not Semitic people. Semites are Arabs and Persians."

That's right, the defense against the charge of antisemitism was to literally say "No, the Jews I hate are not Semitic!"
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Yeah, it's a bit of historical woo which claims that modern Ashkenazi (Central/Eastern European) Jews are actually descended from a group of Khazars that converted 1000 years ago or so. There are numerous problems with this idea, ranging from genetic to linguistic to historical, but it's very popular with anti-Semites.
 
Giordano said:
Now, now everyone. Clayton has said many times that he is not anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish, just anti-Zionist. That's why he, in the OP, asks why Zionists have a special word for non-Zionis...
oh, wait, never mind...
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How can you be a Holocaust denier and not be anti-Jewish?
 
dafydd said:
How can you be a Holocaust denier and not be anti-Jewish?
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I am Jewish culturally (atheist by conversion and more anti-Zionist than pro-Zionist politically).

I can imagine in theory that one could be mislead into being a Holocaust denier and still not be anti-Jewish. I've never seen it in real life, however- or on the web. Hate first-denial next.
 
I work with a couple of Jewish guys who like to tell demeaning jokes about us, the Goy. Every time they do this I accuse them of being anti-gentile racists. Shuts them right up.
 
jakesteele said:
I work with a couple of Jewish guys who like to tell demeaning jokes about us, the Goy. Every time they do this I accuse them of being anti-gentile racists. Shuts them right up.
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Certainly I have heard racist remarks from some of the people I know to be Jewish... I would like to believe racism/anti "goy" jokes, etc are at least a bit more rare among Jews because they have had the experience of being persecuted themselves. Jews certainly were and are prominent in the different civil rights movements.

But alas, the same percentage of Jews are jerks as are in any other human population. It has disappointed and embarrassed me when it happens, and I' ve called them on it when it happened. I am glad you have too. The good news is that young people are much less likely to do this. In fact, more and more Jews are marrying non-Jews(I did), so the whole issue will soon become meaningless. I am proud of both my and my spouse's heritages, and we taught both cultures to our kids. By the way, I hope this inter-marriage thing doesn't frighten Clayton too much- it sounds a bit like a conspiracy.
 
Clayton Moore said:
When I'm done guffawing.
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What's so funny is how the home team is blathering antisemitism rather than discussing the why of


Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
Too often the pompous accusation of antisemitism is used to discredit a persons view.





Why are the Jews the only people, that I know of, who have a derogatory word for people who are not Jewish? Goy

Why are the Jews the only people, that I know of, who have a word for people who supposedly hate them? antisemitic

What is the purpose of these two unique words?
Imprinting of Jewish bigotry?
Seems like a purposeful intent toward conspiratorial exclusivity.
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Quoting your own posts and answering them should be a violation of the MA, or at the very leasy grounds for being put on a 72 hour hold for observation.
 
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