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Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

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I moved a lengthy bickery off-topic derail to Abandon All Hope. Please, everyone, keep things civil, on topic, and do not personalize your arguments. I don't think that anyone wants this thread to go back on [Moderated] status. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Your argument from authority about the 'veteran judge' has no bearing on his ability to proclaim he knows what GZ would have done if not for the monitoring.

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But the judge stated conclusively that he would have fled. Again, been over all that, not interested in doing it again.
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Did I not say people would keep bringing that up?? Can that particular attack on the Judge just die already? I just dealt with that a few posts above yours:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8503689#post8503689
 
TheL8Elvis said:
A pretty good read. Covers the hilights of a lot of different Internet coverage of the case.
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Well you brought it up! :D The below is all TheL8Elvis's fault. :)

Apparently the people in the massive Zimmerman case thread(s) at justicequest.net seem to think they have found one of the prosecutions secrets.

It seems they have been talking about this for days now, I'm surprised I haven't seen it here at the JREF yet. (Unless I missed it here...)

Warning: That forum is the exact opposite of the conservative tree house place. Read both of those forums and you will see the the polar opposites that show us that the JREF forum is really the place for the skeptical middle ground.

Warning: This happens exactly 4 seconds before what we previously refer to as the flashlight taps. Take that for whatever it is worth.

Apparently in the not911 call they say Z does a "chamber check" on his Kel-Tec after being asked what his last name is.... This happens very late in the call, 30 seconds after Z gets out of his truck, and 15 seconds after he is told that the not911 does not need him to follow M.

They seem to think there are a boatload of reasons why it would not be good for Z if the prosecution can prove he had his gun out. I only seem to think there are a few. Anyway...

I believe it happens around 2:10 in this YT of the not911 call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk

There are 5 files in the below .zip.

http://wikisend.com/download/327374/chambercheck.zip

01 is Z's supposed "chamber check" from the not911 video

02 is a supposed Kel-Tec demo vido with a "chamber check" at the very end of the clip (after he says "see how they do").

03 is the Z "chamber check" isolated

04 is the Kel-Tec demo video "chamber check" isolated

05 is 03 and 04 ran back to back for 10 seconds


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My personal conclusion? I am not convinced..

Points against = They do not sound exactly the same.

Points against = I have no idea of the validity of the supposed Kel-Tec demo audio. Or even if the sound that we are even being presented with is a feature of that gun.

Points for = The audio of both clips is from different sources, so they have different variables. Which means they should not sound exactly the same by default. So that may be why one of them sounds much "crisper".

Points for = Is it a coincidence that he had the same gun and we hear a similar sound? What are the odds of that?
 
Zimmerman's firearm was at max capacity - 7+1. If he racks the slide at any time an unspent cartidge gets ejected. They recovered the firearm at 6+1 and there was one spent cartridge recovered.
 
Cylinder said:
Zimmerman's firearm was at max capacity - 7+1. If he racks the slide at any time an unspent cartidge gets ejected. They recovered the firearm at 6+1 and there was one spent cartridge recovered.
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I knew someone would say that, so I didn't cover it yet. :D

They've covered that and then some.

First of all, they say that it is possible to "chamber check" that weapon and not eject. That is what they claim is done in the demo video.

Secondly, they also say that if it was a indeed a full rack, that there was plenty of time to reload the ejected bullet. In that case the bottom bullet would supposedly have tool marks showing it was done.

You can read those forums for lengthy discussion of that very issue that Cylinder brings up. I have no idea of the validity of those claims.

Cylinder did you listen to the audio? Perhaps you could give your comments on it first instead of trying to debunk it using other information first?

Also, since you are back, are you going to respond to this post #3675 from a few days and 10 posts ago:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8503695#post8503695
 
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Unabogie said:
In other news, here's another thug wearing his "grill".

Don't mess with this guy, or he'll attack you due to his hyperviolent rage issues.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/web...06/tdy-120724-lochte-grill.380_380_7_70_0.jpg
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Has anyone in this thread made an issue out of Trayvon's "grill"? Does this really need to be brought back up again? Or is this just another instance of you trying to pollute the water and drag the thread down to the lowest common denominator so we can all wallow in mud?
 
Natural Born Skeptic said:
Has anyone in this thread made an issue out of Trayvon's "grill"? Does this really need to be brought back up again? Or is this just another instance of you trying to pollute the water and drag the thread down to the lowest common denominator so we can all wallow in mud?
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No one here posted pictures of that? Surely you're not going to deny that, are you?
 
Unabogie said:
No one here posted pictures of that? Surely you're not going to deny that, are you?
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Every conceivable pic has been posted, I asked if anyone asserted that meant TM got what was coming to him, and why you are trying to bring it back in again after 200+ pages or however long it has been since something was posted about that?
 
Natural Born Skeptic said:
Every conceivable pic has been posted, I asked if anyone asserted that meant TM got what was coming to him, and why you are trying to bring it back in again after 200+ pages or however long it has been since something was posted about that?
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Since you are now a crusader against dredging up old, irrelevant posts in an effort to disparage those with whom one disagrees, perhaps you can ask the author of this post why they engaged in that exact same behavior not too long ago:
Natural Born Skeptic said:
I while back I downloaded the entire 300 page first thread and started to read through it again. I kid not when I say it would make an excellent paper for a psychology student to dissect and write a thesis on.

What was especially fascinating was the progression of belief by those who were 100% certain that GZ is a lying murderer. Fist it was asserted that GZ was not injured at all. Once pictures came out that made that position no longer tenable, it was then asserted that GZ had self-injured himself in various ways. And once the on-site pictures and medical reports from the crime scene made that position no longer tenable, it was then asserted that the injuries were from "one punch". Personally I think they should go with the "GZ is a shape shifting alien" theory and avoid all this nonsense altogether.
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triforcharity said:
Do you think that the reason for this is a possible appeal of Judge Lester's decision not to step aside?
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Not specificaly. Since discovery isn't near completion, the docket sounding couldn't move forward no matter the circumstance. Everything is being slow-walked - we haven't even seen the bill of particulars yet which in a normal progressionwould be somewhat of a problem for the state at the time of a docket sounding.

A docket sounding is where the court kind of checks in to make sure all the pre-trial issues are resolved and sets the calendar for the trial phase. In Arkansas at least, it's the drop-dead date - the last chance to change a plea wih the court's cooperation in sentencing.

O'Mara has 30days fom the previous order to dismiss disqualification to file a writ of prohibition with the court - which would appeal that order.
 
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