General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Straw Man]

Since you seem to think a body can be cremated in 15 minutes, why don't you show me a super duper high tech crema oven of today that can do just that? I won't even ask you to show me a 1945 one.

I'm sure it can be done. the crematoria were industrial scale, operating almost full time and dealing with corpses that were probably weighing at around 70lbs. The things basically fueled themselves, and with no need to provide relatives wit remains could produce large piece remains pretty quickly. Couple that with the body pits, and you have a lot of remains disappearing quickly.

Honestly, to equate it into modern terms would not be possible. Crematoria reduce bodies weighing at least twice as much into a fine ash is not the same as the convenient reduction used by the Nazis during WWII.

 

[Straw Man]

The starving to death was intentional, sure. You are aware that jews were by far not the only group in concentration camps, right?

So you admit that there was intentional starving to death of civilians? Doesn't that equate murder?

We all know that the Jews were not the only ones sent to the death camps. There were political opponents, homosexuals, subversives, untermensch (as prescribed by Nazi ideology), various religious groups incompatible with Nazism, Catholic clergy.....

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[Straw Man]

Some books about the "Holocaust" that aren't the usual lies and fabrications.

Clayton. I'm sure there is wonderful things (perhaps) in the cited text, but your beautiful butterflies will be broken on the wheel of truth. Perhaps your argument should be (based on previous posts made by you) should be directed to showing how those who found the whole Jewish problem difficult were allowed to register their complaints within the regime, and how their complaints, and the complainers themselves were dealt with.

We can then move on to the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service, and take it from there.

 

[Straw Man]

You'll find the Holocaust huggers have little respect for the Jewish people of WWII Europe.

I'll think you'll find otherwise.

For 3 straight years Europe's Jewish people arrive at camps a million each year and are gassed without being registered. The Jewish people took no notice that a million of their friends, neighbors, and relatives simply disappeared off the face of the Earth and arrived for a second and third year.

Have you actually looked at the well documented back-story?

And there is story after story about young children surviving multiple so called death camps.

It happens, Clayton. Some people are rather protective of their young. Especially (in your case) if there is a vaccination in their future. Imagine Zyklon-B x 1000.

The vicious Germans were babysitters?

No, the prisoners were pretty good at hiding their charges against the Germans, and gladly gave up their meagre rations to help the young ones.

And all the Jewish doctors. What was their purpose?

Once upon a tine, it was to ensure the health of their community. After a period of time, they were to become statistics under the 3rd Reich.

 

[Clayton Moore]

The starving to death was intentional, sure. You are aware that jews were by far not the only group in concentration camps, right?

The starving was not intentional. Everyone but you seems to know that. The Allies bombed the supply lines for a few months at the end of the war. It doesn't take long to starve someone.

Are you clear on that? The starving was not intentional.

 

[000063]

You'll find the Holocaust huggers have little respect for the Jewish people of WWII Europe.

For 3 straight years Europe's Jewish people arrive at camps a million each year and are gassed without being registered. The Jewish people took no notice that a million of their friends, neighbors, and relatives simply disappeared off the face of the Earth and arrived for a second and third year.

Yes, that's why Anne Frank's family hid in an attic. Because the Jews had no idea what was going on.

What I really find amazing is how every time you shift goalposts, your argument actually gets more or stays exactly as incorrect. There's no actual learning going on.

... And there is story after story about young children surviving multiple so called death camps....

And adults too.

By the way, no one has ever been executed in a modern prison in the entire world. Since they release people from there alive, that means no one has ever been killed there, right?

Some books about the "Holocaust" that aren't the usual lies and fabrications....

It's cute how you still haven't gotten around to addressing those dozens of books Doc Terry rec'd pages ago, yet you insinuate that they're false. Not directly stating, of course. That would require evidence.

 

[Straw Man]

The starving was not intentional. Everyone but you seems to know that. The Allies bombed the supply lines for a few months at the end of the war. It doesn't take long to starve someone.

Are you clear on that? The starving was not intentional.

Keep telling yourself that, Clayton. The Third Reich had no problems with Jews.

 

[Border Reiver]

It would have been easiest for me if I had a real document indeed. I have seen better (with respect to concrete figures for numbers of claims, less about amounts) documents on German reparations than the one you've presented. I guess I'll have to find them back and see whether there is some discrepancy to be found there.

It's a German document from their finance ministry - where do you think you'll find a better listing for German government expenditures? Some guy's blog?

 

[Loss Leader]

The starving was not intentional. Everyone but you seems to know that. The Allies bombed the supply lines for a few months at the end of the war. It doesn't take long to starve someone.

Were the guards starving? The Commandant of Bergen-Belson looks pretty well-fed on the day his camp was liberated. The civilians forced to tour the camp at Dacahu in April 1945 don't seem too hungry.

 

[Border Reiver]

The starving was not intentional. Everyone but you seems to know that. The Allies bombed the supply lines for a few months at the end of the war. It doesn't take long to starve someone.

Are you clear on that? The starving was not intentional.

Then why were the Nazis able to provide much higher levels of food to:

A. The military;
B. the German civilian population;
C. PWs;
D. Foreign workers; and
E. Non-Jewish internees.

And of course you can explain why Jewish rations were at starvation levels early in the war.

The starvation was deliberate.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yes, that's why Anne Frank's family hid in an attic. Because the Jews had no idea what was going on.

What I really find amazing is how every time you shift goalposts, your argument actually gets more or stays exactly as incorrect. There's no actual learning going on.

And adults too.

By the way, no one has ever been executed in a modern prison in the entire world. Since they release people from there alive, that means no one has ever been killed there, right?



It's cute how you still haven't gotten around to addressing those dozens of books Doc Terry rec'd pages ago, yet you insinuate that they're false. Not directly stating, of course. That would require evidence.

Ah. I did. Soon as I did the post was sent to AAH and the thread was put on moderation.

 

[Straw Man]

Ah. I did. Soon as I did the post was sent to AAH and the thread was put on moderation.

I've been into AAH, and I didn't see anything from you addressing anything from Dr Terry.

From my POV, everything seemed to be handed over to Mr Traynor.

I'm sure you can re-address.

 

[FluffyPersian]

It's been suggested by promotors of the conventional Holocaust that children and those emaciated people were good candidates. They'd like to forget that they claim most people were allegedly gassed upon arrival and hence not emaciated.

Are you serious? Most of these people were coming from ghettos, where, for the most part, they existed on starvation rations.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Were the guards starving? The Commandant of Bergen-Belson looks pretty well-fed on the day his camp was liberated. The civilians forced to tour the camp at Dacahu in April 1945 don't seem too hungry.

http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/public/cms/70/92/175/397/QeiYkh_web.jpg

Nor do those ladies.

 

[Corsair 115]

Then why were the Nazis able to provide much higher levels of food to:

A. The military;
B. the German civilian population;
C. PWs;
D. Foreign workers; and
E. Non-Jewish internees.

And of course you can explain why Jewish rations were at starvation levels early in the war.

The starvation was deliberate.

Let us recall that Nazi Germany had an official plan to starve to death millions of people in western Russia had it managed to defeat the Russians. So it's not as if the regime was above using food as a weapon to achieve its aims.

 

[Multivac]

The starving to death was intentional, sure. You are aware that jews were by far not the only group in concentration camps, right?

So you agree that they were murdered. Good.

 

[Multivac]

You'll find the Holocaust huggers have little respect for the Jewish people of WWII Europe.

If you mean people who know that the holocaust happened, you couldn't be more wrong. What makes you think I have little respectect for European Jews during WW2?

For 3 straight years Europe's Jewish people arrive at camps a million each year and are gassed without being registered. The Jewish people took no notice that a million of their friends, neighbors, and relatives simply disappeared off the face of the Earth and arrived for a second and third year.

Who says they took no notice? What do you think their friends and neighbours could, or should, have done?

And there is story after story about young children surviving multiple so called death camps.

What is your point?

The vicious Germans were babysitters?

Obviously not. The Nazis were brutal, sadistic bastards.

And all the Jewish doctors. What was their purpose?

Helping mothers deliver their babies

http://www.aish.com/ho/p/48952026.html

Unfortunately, some jewish doctors may have helped the nazis as a way to stay alive. It is easy to sit at a keyboard and condemn them, but what choice would any of us have made in that situation? I would like to think that I would not have cooperated, but that is easy to say from the comfort of modern living.

 

[Belz...]

Well, I am wading my way through the hundreds of posts - as I was challenged here to post in this thread if I feel I have something to contribute - but couldn't let that pass, since you seem so smug on historic sources.

As opposed to the deniers and their _no_ historic sources.

I won't buy it.

Unfortunately for you, incredulity proves nothing except your unwillingness to change your mind based on the evidence.

Since you seem to think a body can be cremated in 15 minutes

Although it was said clearly that it would take one hour.

Feel free to show me ten. I'll show you one who was tortured.

How about he shows you ten, and you show him that those ten were tortured ?

The starving to death was intentional, sure. You are aware that jews were by far not the only group in concentration camps, right?

Did you just admit that the Nazis mass-murdered Jews ?

 

[Belz...]

You'll find the Holocaust huggers have little respect for the Jewish people of WWII Europe.

Unlike Holocaust Deniers, who claim that said Jews didn't exist.

Are you clear on that? The starving was not intentional.

Yeah, I'm sure you'll convince him by mere repetition of assertion.

 

[SanityGap]

The starving was not intentional. Everyone but you seems to know that. The Allies bombed the supply lines for a few months at the end of the war. It doesn't take long to starve someone.

Are you clear on that? The starving was not intentional.

No, no intentional starving by the Naziboys.
But you might want to check out how the Greeks faired during occupation, especially as they had not been mentioned at Wansee for any sort of "solution". Or will you argue that they, also, were never there?