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Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

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Hey George, God here...

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Unabogie said:
You've got to think that Angela Corey spent the evening sipping champagne. Wow, what a disaster for George.

First, he actually says that he wears his gun all the time, every time he goes out, except for work. Really? You mean all those times you went on "patrol" for the neighborhood watch, you carried your gun, George? Against the explicit rules of NW? So even if he claims that THIS time, he was just "on his way to Target", what does he answer to the obvious question...
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Can you point me to the RATL neighborhood watch handbook and the rules against concealed carry ? TIA.

Here are some links to help:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf
(gone, but google docs still has it)
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing/
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing-neighorhood-watch-2/
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing-neighorhood-watch-3/

eta: google docs:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...2Bvp4O&sig=AHIEtbSA1U4mZUYwAZ9AV_GpuS9mQC9BIg
 
It came straight from the person who (btw is on the witness list) helped George start the NW group, Wendy Dorival.

In September, the Sanford police helped the Retreat start a neighborhood watch program.

"Some residents called me wanting to do a startup," said Dorival, a civilian police employee. About 30 people came to the clubhouse for that first session, she said. "Everyone was enthusiastic." Zimmerman volunteered to be captain.

"I told them, this is not about being a vigilante police force," Dorival said. "You're not even supposed to patrol on neighborhood watch. And you're certainly not supposed to carry a gun."
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Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford - Tampa Bay Times
 
Spyke said:
I can't understand why "they"(his defense team)thought that George doing an interview would be a good idea.
I'm thinking that a person would be better off shutting your mouth and letting the Courts decide.
Are they trying to win some votes in the court of public opinion?

For the record:

Obviously I wasn't there. I'm just stating my feelings on the case.

I can only put myself in what I think are their shoes to try and make sense of it until the evidence and trial.

From TM's viewpoint, well pshyco boy is stalking him and never once identifies himself as any sort of "law enforcement".
I can easily put myself in TM's shoes and pound the living **** out of this guy who is following me. The answer to the question of "what you following me for? is not "I'm not following you" when you obviously are...

If George reached down into his waistband/pocket whatever, I can see where I would consider that threatening.
George gets his ass handed to him. Was TM going to kill him? Only TM knows that.

From GZ's standpoint, he's a Watch "Captain" and he see's what he thinks is a suspicious person (for whatever reason he has decided that he is suspicious) and starts following him while calling 9/11. Seems ok so far.
Fast forward to confrontation, get's popped in the nose, goes down, is getting beat pretty bad.

Has George ever been in a fight before? Ever been down and get pounded? It's not nice and can be very scary I guess..could easily be in fear for his life.

Bang!

Self defense? That's for the Courts to decide. Difficult case.
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As a matter of fact, yes he has. In 2005, he was arrested for shoving an undercover officer. He had to take anger management courses and was allowed diversion.
 
Unabogie said:
It must have been god's plan for them to live in luxury after killing an unarmed kid.

I just can't believe these people.
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No, it was gods plan to leave him unemployable and in hiding for a few years because he defended himself.
 
Rare Truth said:
It came straight from the person who (btw is on the witness list) helped George start the NW group, Wendy Dorival.

"I told them, this is not about being a vigilante police force," Dorival said. "You're not even supposed to patrol on neighborhood watch. And you're certainly not supposed to carry a gun."

Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford - Tampa Bay Times
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Thanks - where are the rules for RATL she got this information from ? Or is Officer Wendy in charge of the RATL neighborhood watch ? I am sure there are documented rules we can refer to, aren't there ? Or are the rules just an oral tradition, passed down by officer Wendy at the meeting ?
 
It is interesting, that transcript. When asked about the distance from his vehicle, Zimmerman says "100 feet or more"; then the interviewer says "So you were never more than 100 feet away?" and Zimmerman concurs with that.

There's a couple of other spots where the interviewer seems to be leading Zimmerman, or restating things and asking Zimmerman to confirm the restatement.
 
KatieG said:
As a matter of fact, yes he has. In 2005, he was arrested for shoving an undercover officer. He had to take anger management courses and was allowed diversion.
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Oh right, I forgot about that one, thanks KatieG.. but he was just involved in a shoving match there wasn't he?

Not, down on his back getting punched in the face. I'm just trying to understand his mindset.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Can you point me to the RATL neighborhood watch handbook and the rules against concealed carry ? TIA.
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Also from national manual (page 26) (emphasis added):
http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/WatchManual.pdf

Patrol Procedures
1. The patrol should be well defined.
2. Only residents of the defined community, at least 18 years
old, should participate in the patrol.
3. Patrol members must have participated in a training session.
4. A patrol team should consist of two people: a driver and an
observer in the patrol vehicle or two neighbors walking
together. A vehicle may be marked with a removable sign.
5. The purpose of community patrol is to observe and report
only. Patrol members should not leave their vehicle or
become involved with a suspect.
6. Patrol members do not possess police powers. Each member is liable as an individual for civil and criminal charges
should he exceed his authority.
7. Patrol members should not challenge anyone. The patrol’s
visual presence should be a deterrent to most criminal
activity. If a suspicious situation continues, patrol members
should call law enforcement professionals and request
assistance.
8. Patrol members should not pursue vehicles (except briefly)
to get the license number. They should not attempt to
enforce traffic laws.
9. Patrol members should patrol as designated, in a random
fashion, and at varied times rather than in an observable
pattern.
10. Patrol members may not drink alcoholic beverages while on
patrol nor report for patrol if they have been drinking.
11. Patrol members do not carry weapons.
12. Any members violating patrol procedures may be banned
from participation in the community patrol.
13. Patrol members should take notes of suspicious situations
on log sheets. The notes may become evidence if a situation becomes a criminal matter. A copy of the notes could
be turned over to the Block Captain and the original kept by
the patrol member. (The notes may be needed later for the
patrol member to refresh his memory.)
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TheL8Elvis said:
Again, RATL was not registered with the National Neighborhood Watch Association.
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Yes, I think everyone has gathered that, when George was presented with the National Neighborhood Watch Association protocols he decided The Rogue Watchman was a cooler superhero name.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
No, it was gods plan to leave him unemployable and in hiding for a few years because he defended himself.
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Right. So you've decided you believe his story. I don't understand that, but at least you're no longer claiming to be just waiting for evidence. You've made your mind up just like many of us.
 
Yet, when you wipe away all the ridicule heaped on Zimmerman and subsitituted for actual evidence there is not one witness to the events who dispute Zimmerman's claims. Not the victim's girlfreind who heard the start of the altercation, not the woman who heard the altercation from start to finish, not the multiple witnesses that saw Zimmerman on bottom, not the man who watched the altercation mere seconds before the fatal shot, not the woman down the block who seeing the aftermath thought her observations proof af guilt, not the physical evidence showing Zimmerman having been attacked, his nose and the back of his head damaged...not one scrap of actual evidence.
 
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