Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Rare Truth]

Well, I think suggesting that little kids 6 or 7 years old "playing doctor" is a crime is nonsense, especially when they are doing in in a room full of people.

Zimmmerman has denied the allegations, so who is slandering whom is a matter of opinion.

Why do you keep handwaving away the 10 years that followed?

It's blatantly obvious.

 

[Unabogie]

The alleged victim said they never had intercourse.

You think rape requires intercourse?

 

[Unabogie]

Well, I think suggesting that little kids 6 or 7 years old "playing doctor" is a crime is nonsense, especially when they are doing in in a room full of people.

Zimmmerman has denied the allegations, so who is slandering whom is a matter of opinion.

It continued until he was a legal adult, according to the allegations. That's been repeated over and over. Why do people keep bringing up the young ages as if were alleged to be a one time thing?

 

[Rare Truth]

Adding this for reference purposes.

This may be very helpful for people looking into the latest document dump. It was 284 pp., so, it's a bugger to swim through, especially if you're looking for one particular detail.

Some very nice person organized this:
http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

Table of Contents Docs Dump 7/12:
Page
1. Villanova Interview
2. Ayala Interview
3. Bernosky Interview
4. Broderick Interview
5. Ciesla Interview
6. Davila Interview
7, Johnson Interview
8. Lynch Interview
9. Trayvon's Cousin Interview
10. McCoy Interview
11, Mead Interview
12, Ralmondo Interview
13. Robertson Interview
14, Santiago Interview
15. Serino Interview
16 - 18 Witness Interview
19. Witness 19 Interview
20. Lt. Taylor
21. Witness 19 Interview
22. Wagner Interview
23. Officer Smith Interview
24. Witness 11 & 20 Interview
25. Witness 6 Interview
26. Witness 12 Interview
27. Witness 13 Interview
28. Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton Interview
29.Witness 2 Interview
30. Witness 16 Interview
31. Witness 3 Interview
32, Tracy Martin Girlfriend
33. Witness 14 Interview
34. Officer Singleton Interview
35. ME Investigator / Tara Malphurs
36. DD Interview
37. Sybrina Fulton
38. George Zimmerman's call to SA's office
39. Brandy's Son Interview
40. Tracy Martin Interview
41.-47. Property Evidence/Chain of Custody List
48.-49. Crime Scene Contamination List
50. - 89. FDLE Investigative Reports
50. Witness 17 FDLE
52. Witness 3 FDLE
56. Witness 20 FDLE
58. Witness 11 FDLE
60. Witness 6 FDLE
62. Witness 1 FDLE
65. Witness 2 FDLE
68. RZ Sr FDLE
70. Witness 13's wife FDLE
71. Witness 13 FDLE
74. Dorival FDLE
77. Osterman FDLE
90. GZ Rental Car / Items Seized
91. Interview GZ seeking new gun
92. 7-11 Clerk
93.-94. FBI – Burns Interview
95. FBI - Witness Interview
96. FBI - Wendy Dorvial Interview
97. FBI – Witness Interview
98.-100 FBI Witness Interview
101.-102. FBI Witness Interview
103. FBI – ATF Interviews
104. FBI – Witness Interview
105. FBI – Witness Interview
106. FBI – Witness Interview
107. - 108. FBI – Witness Interview
109. FBI – Witness Interview.
110. FBI – Witness Interview
111. FBI – Witness Interview
112. FBI – Witness Interview
113.-114. FBI – Witness Interview
115. FBI – Witness Interview
116. FBI – Memminger Interview
117. FBI – HOA Interview
118.-120. FBI – Witness Interview (Oliver)
121 Interview re: purchase of gun
122. FBI – Witness Interview
123, FBI – Witness Interview
124. FBI – Serino Interview
125. FBI – Witness Interview
126. FBI – re: firearms training course
127. FBI - Taafe
127. - 128. FBI – re: NW /HOA
129. -131. FBI – re: NW/HOA
132. FBI – Witness Interview
133-134 FBI – Witness Interview
135. FBI – Witness Interview
136. - 138. FBI – Witness Interview
139, FBI – Witness Interview
140. FBI – Witness Interview
141.-144. FBI – ex-Fiancee Interview
145. Crime Scene Sketch
146. -147. Sketch Key
148.-155. Rescue Response Details
156.-159. CAD Abstract
160. -170. FD Dispatch Summary
171. Incident Attendance
172. - 174. Incident Narrative and Addendums
175. Rider Release Form
176-184. Mobile Messages
185.-216. FDLE Lab Reports
217.-228. GZ / Joe G. MySpace
229.-234 Emails / Lee – GZ
235.-236. Police Incident Reports / Retreat at Twin Lakes
237. Emails Dorvial
238.-283 Police Incident/Investigation Reports – Retreat at Twin Lakes
284. Crime Scene Overlay

 

[GWCarver]

It continued until he was a legal adult, according to the allegations. That's been repeated over and over. Why do people keep bringing up the young ages as if were alleged to be a one time thing?

Because we disagree about it. We spend hours/days on the Cowboys' forums talking about one possession. That doesn't mean anything with regard to the rest of the game, other than we are not talking about the rest of the game at that particular time.

 

[Ammonitida]

Yes, he listed that on the Ethnicity question. He answered: Latino / Hispanic.

You understand Ethnicity is not the same thing as race, right?

Like it or not, Hispanic is usually seen as a racial category in the United States, generally referring to the native descended, Spanish speaking populations of South America. It's used this way all the time by the MSM who often designate hispanics as "people of color" or brown people.

As I pointed out, "white" is also included as a choice for that question but he chose Hispanic instead. Clearly, the context in which ethnicity was used referred to race. For lots of people those words are interchangeable.

 

[Ammonitida]

The alleged victim said they never had intercourse.

Digital penetration counts as intercourse in most states I think. Rape if it's forced.

 

[Rare Truth]

Because we disagree about it. We spend hours/days on the Cowboys' forums talking about one possession. That doesn't mean anything with regard to the rest of the game, other than we are not talking about the rest of the game at that particular time.

You're comparing a decade of molestation to a single football play?

Wow.

 

[crimresearch]

Florida must pride itself on passing bizarre laws. Sometimes it's best just to leave things in the dark. JKL or any other judge would have no choice but to release everything.

And I'm sure you'll cite this 'bizzare law', and clearly explain the legal failings behind it (and relevant Supreme Court rulings, and the US Constitution), just as you did when you made the same claims about 'Stand Your Ground', the right to self-defense, due process, etc.

Oh wait...

 

[crimresearch]

This is sad, you are engaging in denial of the sexual nature children, are you basing this upon religious beliefs, because you are mirroring them.

You are diminishing the nature of sexual assault and show a clear tendency towards ignorance.

Sexual rage and frustration do not lead to sexual assault, so add some stupid neo Freudian crap to your ignorance.

And the deliberate promoting of falsehoods about the nature of such matters ('never heard of it continuing', etc.) goes beyond sad... but the forum rules prevent adequate language.

Thank you for calling it out.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Can we all at least agree that we don't need any evidence and this guy is a scumbag child molester? And if we can't agree on that, can we all at least agree she's a lying gold digger who wants to sell her story?

 

[Rare Truth]

Like it or not, Hispanic is usually seen as a racial category in the United States, generally referring to the native descended, Spanish speaking populations of South America. It's used this way all the time by the MSM who often designate hispanics as "people of color" or brown people.

As I pointed out, "white" is also included as a choice for that question but he chose Hispanic instead. Clearly, the context in which ethnicity was used referred to race. For lots of people those words are interchangeable.

Lots of people? No, I disagree. some may get it confused, but most understand the difference.

When Ethnicity is asked on a questionnaire, my answer is not "white."

I am white as can be, but that was not the question.

What the answer is, for most, falls these multitudinous categories of ethnic groups: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_ethnic_groups

When asked race: I reply White (or Caucasian).

It's not the same. Because you want to place an error used by a small segment of people as the norm, does not make your post correct.

When asked Ethnicity: George said Latino/Hispanic
When asked Race: George said White.

He is correct.

 

[crimresearch]

You seem a little bit conflicted about this. One one hand, you will call it sexual assault but here, it sounds like you are saying this is not uncommon. Is it really not uncommon for 8 year olds to sexually molest each other? By 8, a child should have a pretty good grasp on personal boundaries. When these personal boundaries are ignored, it is usually indicative of a problem.

Saying it isn't uncommon isn't saying it is never a problem.

 

[Ammonitida]

It continued until he was a legal adult, according to the allegations. That's been repeated over and over. Why do people keep bringing up the young ages as if were alleged to be a one time thing?

Yep, Zimmerman's only defense against this is to say that his cousin is lying. He can't be defended with the "playing doctor" crap.

It's time for Zimmerman's defenders to accept that he has a very ugly side to him. It's rather unlikely that his cousin fabricated this whole story just to hurt him.

 

[crimresearch]

And the autopsy report, and the police photos, and the FBI voice analysis, and the crime scene diagrams, and so on... all doctored as part of the grand conspiracy that people are bent on uncovering.

 

[crimresearch]

Yep, Zimmerman's only defense against this is to say that his cousin is lying. He can't be defended with the "playing doctor" crap.

It's time for Zimmerman's defenders to accept that he has a very ugly side to him. It's rather unlikely that his cousin fabricated this whole story just to hurt him.

Feel free to provide a link to anyone here saying that Zimmerman is anything other than a total screwup on multiple levels.

The 'defenders' are defending everyone's right to due process no matter how nasty a person he is.

 

[sgtbaker]

Saying it isn't uncommon isn't saying it is never a problem.

My confusion is it sounds like it's a correction to my suggestion that at that age, it's indicative of a worse problem; mental disorder, sexual abuse, etc.

 

[crimresearch]

My confusion is it sounds like it's a correction to my suggestion that at that age, it's indicative of a worse problem; mental disorder, sexual abuse, etc.

Is indicative? Or could be indicative?

People being exploring sexual actions and even urges at different ages, 8 is around the lower limit.

Learning what is not OK should occur as early as possible, but doesn't always...
Deciding to do it anyway is the problem... continuing it for years is abuse.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

It's time for Zimmerman's defenders to accept that he has a very ugly side to him. It's rather unlikely that his cousin fabricated this whole story just to hurt him.

1. We aren't "Zimmerman defenders". At least not most of us.

2. It's not time for us to accept anything one way or another. I'll wait and see what further information and evidences comes out, thank you very much.

I must admit that my very initial reaction was one of extreme skepticism, due to the age at which it supposedly started. NOT because that's unheard of, but because it is so extreme that now he's suddenly he's also a child molester that started at age 8. However after reading the claims of the woman, I think it's best to wait and see what further information comes out.

 

[bookworm]

Sorry, but I have heard this suggested before when it wasn't a joke. You know, it's kind of hard to tell when people are joking on the internet. I heard while ago that Corey released a witness statement saying Zimmerman has been accused of molesting a 6yr old when he was 8. Is that a joke? I don't know.

This is just an observation on my part......how can it be classified as "molestation" when it's an 8 year old? I'm not saying it isn't wrong, and I guess the circumstances would play a part (did the 6 year old say no, I don't want to do this?). But mostly it seems to me it would be curiousity. It's definitely not the first time a child was curious about sex.