And the boats keep coming

[Sideroxylon]

Is it not illegal to arrive or attempt to arrive in Australia without a visa?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Except that seeking asylum isn't illegal. Neither is showing up in a boat seeking asylum.

I may have been imprecise and naive in my language choice but I hope I will be given some charity of interpretation of what I wrote.

 

[Wildy]

Is it not illegal to arrive or attempt to arrive in Australia without a visa?

That depends on why you're attempting to arrive here. As far as I'm aware it's not illegal to seek asylum, nor is it an offence to arrive without a visa when you are seeking asylum.

 

[lionking]

I would like to know what would happen under the Abbott solution when countries the boats are towed back to refuse to take them

 

[Sideroxylon]

I would like to know what would happen under the Abbott solution when countries the boats are towed back to refuse to take them

I guess you mean aside from the damage to our international reputation and cost to the national conscience.

 

[bit_pattern]

I guess you mean aside from the damage to our international reputation and cost to the national conscience.

Not to mention the damage it will do to our bilateral relationship with Indonesia.

 

[Noztradamus]

I would like to know what would happen under the Abbott solution when countries the boats are towed back to refuse to take them

Only one way to find out

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I wonder what the Indonesians think of us now? Stupid? Soft? Self absorbed? Easy targets? Inconsistent? Hypocritical?

They are laughing and laughung hard - here is little or no respect from them, that's for sure.

 

[Sideroxylon]

I wonder what the Indonesians think of us now? Stupid? Soft? Self absorbed? Easy targets? Inconsistent? Hypocritical?

They are laughing and laughung hard - here is little or no respect from them, that's for sure.

What motivation do they have for feeling that way?

 

[lionking]

I wonder what the Indonesians think of us now? Stupid? Soft? Self absorbed? Easy targets? Inconsistent? Hypocritical?

They are laughing and laughung hard - here is little or no respect from them, that's for sure.

Evasion noted.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Was that original question directed at me? How would one know?

I have no idea why, have I somewhere said I support the idea of sending boats back to Indonesia?

 

[Tricky]

Off-topic posts moved to AAH. Let's not do this again, right?

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sarHnaSp0&feature=player_embedded

This is fun - boat policy.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-18/new-boat-arrives/4137828

Another boast: six in three (two?) days. We had six in two years under the Pacific Solution.

There will be more deaths, this must stop.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Experts agree with me it seems.

'Hundreds will drown' unless smugglers are stopped

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-...n-unless-people-smugglers-are-stopped/4139104

Dr Sev Ozdowski: former Human Rights Commissioner.

A former human rights commissioner has warned that hundreds - if not thousands - of asylum seekers will almost certainly drown on their way to Australia unless something is done to stop people-smuggling boats.

In a submission to the Federal Government's expert panel on asylum seekers, Dr Sev Ozdowski says Labor's decision to wind back the Howard government's so-called Pacific solution and temporary protection visas created an undeniable pull factor for people trying to flee Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[Wildy]

Except that he doesn't want to go back to the Pacific Solution as you want to.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I saw that, obviously.

We have three options on the table as it stands, of those three my preferred option is Nauru as you correctly point out. That does not mean I am not open to other ideas.

The point here is that hundreds of people will die (he says potentially thousands) and the worst PM ever makes another committee - useless!. How about leading and trying something? Anything would be better that what we have and it is only her stubborn pride and the infantile ideas of the moronic greens that has caused up to 800 deaths so far and hundreds more to come.

 

[Wildy]

Because there is absolutely no blame to be had on the part of the Liberals? I don't think you've noticed but despite Abbott always yelling "stop the boats" when it comes to actually doing something that would stop them he then decides to back away.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Because there is absolutely no blame to be had on the part of the Liberals? I don't think you've noticed but despite Abbott always yelling "stop the boats" when it comes to actually doing something that would stop them he then decides to back away.

I have explained my thoughts around this before. I would not have been unhappy if they had tried Malaysia so yes, the Libs can wear some of the blame. But I undersatdand far better their position than the others: They would argue that they had a policy that worked, their policies have not been directly responsible for the deaths of some 800 people where Labor's and the Greens' have.

The greens have a policy that causes deaths yet you are silent on them yourself.

 

[lionking]

Interesting, from the President of the Australian Human Rights Commission:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...n-refugee-treaty-perilous-20120719-22d5d.html

Meanwhile, in an interview with The Age to mark her departure from the commission this month, Ms Branson also challenged Coalition proposals to turn back asylum seeker boats.
''The evidence I have seen suggests that turning back boats is not a viable option and it is probably not acceptable to Indonesians.''