Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Dan O.]

Hypothetical:
Would you go through the fuss and bother George has if you got $200,000 at the end of it? I would, except for the possibility of going to prison part.

The $200,000 was the total at the beginning. The web site is supposedly still up, the pay pal account still open and I gather O'mera arranged that any collected funds would automatically transfer to the trust account. Do you think his supporters stopped making donations because he was sent back to jail after his bond was revoked? What is the balance today? Does anybody besides the account trustee know? I doubt they let the potted palm in on the details this time.

 

[Dan O.]

Yeah. Like blood stops flowing from a little cut gaping wound on the head within minutes of brutal, repetitive belting on solid concrete.

Dries up so nicely, cleans up so quickly, ya don't even need a bandage.

That is miraculous.

Shouldn't there be blood evidence on the concrete where his head was being bashed? I saw only a couple of spots that looked more like paint.

 

[EdG]

It's amazing that either party's family can claim that it was their son screaming. GZ himself said “It doesn’t even sound like me” when he was being interviewed by Serino and Singleton.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-the-screams/2012/06/29/gJQAxIO5BW_blog.html

It's also interesting that GZ can't explain how he was simultaneously being smothered by TM while screaming his head off for help and how TM can't be heard saying "Shut the f*** up" as GZ claims.

 

[Unabogie]

It's amazing that either party's family can claim that it was their son screaming. GZ himself said “It doesn’t even sound like me” when he was being interviewed by Serino and Singleton.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-the-screams/2012/06/29/gJQAxIO5BW_blog.html

It's also interesting that GZ can't explain how he was simultaneously being smothered by TM while screaming his head off for help and how TM can't be heard saying "Shut the f*** up" as GZ claims.

Nor can he explain how Trayvon covered his bloody nose and mouth with his hands and got none of it on them. Was Trayvon wearing latex gloves?

 

[Unabogie]

By the way, when comparing the guy I saw fall today with George, it should be noted that George DID fall. In his first story. Remember, in the first version of events, he got hit once in the nose and immediately hit the ground. Then Trayvon jumped on him.

It was in his third version of the story, which totally contradicts the first version, in which he moved what we've agreed is between 30' - 55'.

But it depends on which version of the story George is telling on any given day.

 

[Rare Truth]

Nor can he explain how Trayvon covered his bloody nose and mouth his hands and got none of it them. Was Trayvon wearing latex gloves?

He must have, because as he reached down for GZ's gun, he didn't smear his jacket or shirt with blood.

Oh wait, even *with* gloves he would have smeared...

 

[triforcharity]

I have a question maybe a medical professional could answer. (tri?)

"Right-dominant blood flow" - does this indicate in any way if a person may be right or left handed, or is it reference to some thing else that has no association with this?

Thanks in advance if any one knows.

It's not my area of education. It deal with how blood circulates through the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronary_circulation#Coronary_artery_dominance

Where did you hear this term, and how was it used?

 

[Cylinder]

He must have, because as he reached down for GZ's gun, he didn't smear his jacket or shirt with blood.

Oh wait, even *with* gloves he would have smeared...

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Both had each other's blood on them. We have yet to see the stain map to tell where?

 

[Cylinder]

Nor can he explain how Trayvon covered his bloody nose and mouth with his hands and got none of it on them. Was Trayvon wearing latex gloves?

What's your evidence that Martin's hand did not have blood on them? Were they tested?

 

[Rare Truth]

It's not my area of education. It deal with how blood circulates through the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronary_circulation#Coronary_artery_dominance

Where did you hear this term, and how was it used?

It was in the autopsy report.

 

[triforcharity]

Well I just had a relevant (but disturbing) experience.

I was at the gym and an elderly gentleman was on a treadmill in the row ahead of me and to the left. Out of the corner of my eye, I noticed he started "floating" back on the treadmill. I think he may have gotten dizzy or disoriented. So he hit the back of the treadmill and fell backwards and hit his head against the treadmill behind him and landed on the floor. His head hit the plastic casing around the machine.

He opened up a wound about the size of a silver dollar and started bleeding pretty profusely. We called 9/11 and I rushed over to help. The gym has a lifeguard who came in to administer first aid. Looking at the wound, it was about twice the size of the one on George's head. And he fell one time.

Take this in whatever way you will.

IMPO, it's almost irrelevant. Here's why.

Elderly people have much more tender skin, and more prone to serious lacerations from just simple things that may leave only a bruise for some.

Elderly are also more prone to being on blood thinners, and even a simple cut will bleed like hell due to this. Even a simple 81mg Asprin plan (for heart issues) causes thinning of the blood. Also, many cholesterol medications have a blood thinning effect.

But, it is slightly relevant. One blow, massive laceration, profuse bleeding, all from a hard plastic. Imagine many blows, to much harder concrete....

 

[triforcharity]

BTW - they mentioned the Honda Ridgeline was 2008, if you still care about the key.

I do. Thanks for the info.

 

[Rare Truth]

Both had each other's blood on them. We have yet to see the stain map to tell where?

There was no blood smearing on GZ's jacket or shirt.

Obvious.

The few spots of TM's blood on GZ's clothing in the DNA report show it was trace amounts.

The police photographs of GZ the night of the shooting show it wasn't there. Sorry.

I think this is going to brought up at trial, and it's not going to look good for the lying George.

 

[Rare Truth]

What's your evidence that Martin's hand did not have blood on them? Were they tested?

No DNA foreign to TM on his hands and fingernails.

None on his cuffs or lower sleeves.

Hard thing to overcome, with such a bloody wreck as GZ was, after all.

 

[Unabogie]

IMPO, it's almost irrelevant. Here's why.

Elderly people have much more tender skin, and more prone to serious lacerations from just simple things that may leave only a bruise for some.

Elderly are also more prone to being on blood thinners, and even a simple cut will bleed like hell due to this. Even a simple 81mg Asprin plan (for heart issues) causes thinning of the blood. Also, many cholesterol medications have a blood thinning effect.

But, it is slightly relevant. One blow, massive laceration, profuse bleeding, all from a hard plastic. Imagine many blows, to much harder concrete....

Thank you. I guess some people want to have it both ways. On the one hand, George's many, many, repeated bashings against concrete only resulted in a couple, small wounds that bled pretty well. Therefore, George is a pretty tough guy who doesn't bruise or cut easily. On the other, he was in fear for his life due to the vicious beating he was taking.

He's a walking duality, that guy. He falls straight down to the ground in a sideways motion that takes him 40 feet down the grass, too.

 

[triforcharity]

I missed the memos on the US system no longer being adversarial, and the state being immune from defense allegations of bias and impropriety as part of a zealous defense.
And last I checked, once the door is opened either side can step though it. At last that's the way it used to be.

Link?

Wait, so let me make sure I understand your position.

State wants to suggest and prove that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin, and due to his racism, fuels his desire to "not let this one get away".

Your rebuttal to this would be to point out that sometimes, people in authority are racist and have a bias towards some group, and that proves that GZ was not fueled by racism and his blatant profiling.

Is that correct?

The state is not on trial. Just because a cop somewhere else, or even the SPD had some racist person working for them, proves nothing. It's IRRELEVANT. It would NEVER make it past muster.

I don't need a link to tell you that the state is not on trial, and what someone else may or may not have done, is irrelevant.

 

[triforcharity]

What does your analysis suggest?
Would you go for 45 seconds of concrete and 15 seconds of grass?

I think the treadmill example probably shows George didn't fall and get his injuries, since his injuries were less severe than the guy who fell. On the other hand, it's hard to compare what I assume was a glancing blow to more direct, blunt force trauma. I'd want to see an animated reconstruction to be sure.

I hope the old guy is OK. George grew a whole new head of hair because of his injury. Miracles do happen.

Wait, which one do you think is the glancing blow, versus direct blunt force trauma? Just for my clarification....

 

[Cylinder]

The real problem with claiming that there is no head injury between fine and skull fracture is that it will be inside the common experience of everyone. It's so common, in fact, that we've assigned it a slang term - having your bell rung.

Any state medical expert that challenges Zimmerman's wounds will also have to testify that it is not uncommon for closed head trauma to cause death. They will also have to testify that wounds of the type that Zimmerman suffered is high-risk of causing loss of consciousness. Grave bodily injury includes loss of consciousness.

 

[triforcharity]

Shouldn't there be blood evidence on the concrete where his head was being bashed? I saw only a couple of spots that looked more like paint.

Not necessarily. It seemed to me that most of the blood ran down his face and neck, and IIRC, the EMT on the stand today stated that it had stopped bleeding by the time they got there. IIRC. I don't remember for sure if that was what I heard or not, as I had just gotten home and turned it on.

And unless the cut was really deep, and he laid on the concrete for any length of time with his head bleeding, there wouldn't be that much on the concrete.

But, I haven't seen any really good close ups if there was any of the sidewalk.

I would assume that even if there was one drop, it would have been photographed.

 

[triforcharity]

Nor can he explain how Trayvon covered his bloody nose and mouth with his hands and got none of it on them. Was Trayvon wearing latex gloves?

Must have taken them off after he was done trying to smother GZ.....

(Since certain people like to post really ******* stupid **** that of course is really stupid ****, and they know it.....Ahem.....no names......)