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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Border Reiver said:
According to the User review at IMDB for The Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts the movie was fraudulent because the camp was not liberated by the unit that the movie claimed did so, but by a different unit, and the reviewer was upset that the wrong unit was given the credit for liberating the camp.

The Spielberg part apparently is the result of Stevie interviewing one of the soldiers who claims to have been part of the liberation of the camp, but was not part of the unit that did.
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I also like the irony of the Deniers claiming the documentary is a total fraudulent hoax because of the incorrect information in it...all the while repeating the incorrect claim that Spielberg was the producer of this documentary when he wasn't.
 
ANTPogo said:
I also like the irony of the Deniers claiming the documentary is a total fraudulent hoax because of the incorrect information in it...all the while repeating the incorrect claim that Spielberg was the producer of this documentary when he wasn't.
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I know. And they refuse to accept Close Encounters as evidence....
 
Charles Traynor said:
What 6 million Jews?
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The ones documented by the Nazis as having been killed, e.g. the Jäger Report, along with those documented as have been sent to the camps but explicitly not recorded as having gone anywhere else after, never to be heard from again.
 
At imdb a comment, from a user, read: "This film being proved fraudulent did not stop Steven Spielberg from interviewing one of the same liars that is featured in this film, Paul Parks, whose story was not changed over the years.. The only thing Spielberg had changed was what unit Paul Parks was supposedly in."

An LA Times story @ http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/01/opinion/la-oe-perlman-dachau-20120201 questions deniers' responses.

I can't find any Internet reference to Spielberg producing "The Liberators," but the Eric Hunt website, from which Charles Traynor cribbed his list of questions, the ones that got zapped in favor of a link only, says this, distinct from Mr Traynor's unsourced claim:
4) Did Spielberg use a “black liberator” who was already discredited for lying in another Oscar nominated hoax? . . .

9) Is Steven Spielberg’s The Last Days a work of fiction? A hoax? Considering the film’s tagline is 'Everything You’re About to See is True', should the film be reclassified as fiction?

10) Is The Last Days a microcosm of the greater myth, which includes "reconstructed" gas chambers with chimneys that are connected to nothing but grass and relies on expert liars such as the Gabbai / Venezia sonderkomando family?"
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http://www.holocaustdenier.com/questions-for-holohoax-promoters/

Which seems to indicate that the liar here is Charles Traynor when he calls "The Liberators" Spielberg's, unable even to comprehend his own source, Hunt: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8405145&postcount=3213.

Oh my. But I am used to this behavior from Mr Traynor.
 
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ANTPogo said:
What film are you talking about when you say "The Liberators"?
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Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II.

Produced by William Miles & Nina Rosenblum.

Wrong about its availabiity

Title wrong, producer wrong -- such is the state of denier "scholarship"
 
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Jesus skateboarding Christ, this whole movie discussion is even dumber than the crap we normally get from deniers around here. Congrats, Charlie. That's quite an achievement.
 
Nessie said:
Who knows what would have happened if the War had ended with a Nazi victory with Germany controlling all of Europe, North Africa and the Soviet Union.
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Several million Russian peasants would have been starved to death, according to the Reich's 'Hunger Plan'. Their deaths were necessary to clear out the population to make way for German settlers to the area.
 
uke2se said:
Jesus skateboarding Christ, this whole movie discussion is even dumber than the crap we normally get from deniers around here. Congrats, Charlie. That's quite an achievement.
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Was The Last Days filled with lies from start to finish?

YES or NO?
 
Charles Traynor said:
Was The Last Days filled with lies from start to finish?

YES or NO?
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NO.

Your turn: exactly how does a film made decades later impact the historicity of the Holocaust?

Tell us -- what have you *read* in a book on the subject?
 
TSR said:
NO.

Your turn: exactly how does a film made decades later impact the historicity of the Holocaust?

Tell us -- what have you *read* in a book on the subject?
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Books are for Joos!
 
abaddon said:
This thread has firmly jumped the shark.

Now the deniers are citing Holywood movies as evidence.
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Who cited which Hollywood movie and what was the evidence that it provided? The fact that Hollywood does more to educate the public about the holocaust than anything the genuine scholars publish isn't a new idea around here.

You are talking about the United States film industry and not the Marilyn Manson album, aren't you?
 
Dogzilla said:
Who cited which Hollywood movie and what was the evidence that it provided?
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Lets see if the rest of your post provides an answer...

Dogzilla said:
The fact that Hollywood does more to educate the public about the holocaust than anything the genuine scholars publish isn't a new idea around here.
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Why, it appears you just cited "Hollywood" as a source.

Please, feel free to supply statistical evidence that Hollywood does more to educate the public than any published work.
 
uke2se said:
Jesus skateboarding Christ, this whole movie discussion is even dumber than the crap we normally get from deniers around here. Congrats, Charlie. That's quite an achievement.
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Get used to it. As you can see, this is what Mr Traynor specializes in and is the new level these guys want to take things to, along with Dogzilla's blatant anti-intellectualism.
 
Dcdrac said:
Spent half my working life in Germany one way or the other and fully plan on returning.
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On a good day, I could order lunch. On a REALLY good day, I could even make change. Reading a sign longer than two words? Forget it!

Would still go back in a moment. Especially Berlin. WHAT a town!
 
Charles Traynor said:
LemmyCaution, it has been a long time since I watched the videos or looked at that website. I made a minor unintentional error in stating Spielberg produced The Liberators―these things happen.
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Nice try. You tried to attribute it to Spielberg because he's a known name, and born to a jewish family.

The upside of this is that some JREF members have taken onboard the very real fact that Steven Spielberg is a liar and a holohoax propagandist.
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Only true if A) his efforts have helped bring the holocaust to public awareness, which is not true and B) the holocaust is a hoax, which you have so far failed to establish.
 
Charles Traynor said:
At long last someone with an open mind.

This is indeed the film in question. Spielberg was the producer, he reused one of the proven Negro liars from this film later in the The Last Days.
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Thank you for the courtesy in finding the correct film when I asked.

Oh, wait -- you didn't.

The IMDB does not list Spielberg in any role or association with this film. This is the list, mind you, that includes such things as a MENTION of the filmmaker in a third-party film.

Not that it matters. Except to point out the shoddy, slipshod, poorly-documented claims that holocaust deniers routinely produce.
 
Multivac said:
Interesting, thankyou.

Only read the blurb on the link, rather than the book, but it is surprising that there were upto 150,000 jewish, or partly jewish, people in the German military. I had always assumed that there would be some who managed to stay in the army rather than being shot or gassed, but didn't think the number would be so high.
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I also assumed there might have been a few who managed to fly under the radar but I didn't know there were as many or that the chain of command was aware of them. Has anybody read the book? Does it discuss what the options were for these soldiers and why they chose to fight for Hitler?

It sounds like an interesting read.
 
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