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Romney Will Explode the Debt By Trillions

Neally said:
They are not interested in changing the entitlement programs because the Dems will viciously attack them as trying to take away grandmas prescriptions and make her homeless. The GOP would do the same. Even BO has stated that reform is needed, but of course nothing has been done. It's a stalemate that will enable us to enjoy what the people of Greece are now experiencing!

Good news then. Most of the tax burden disproportionately falls on the rich. Nearly half of all people don't pay income tax. Time to flatten out the rates so that they are a bit more equitable.
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And you know that last isn't true + redirecting the question. Wow.
 
It's true that half of Americans don't make enough money to pay Federal Income Taxes, but Federal income taxes make up less than a quarter of all taxes collected in the US. Between sales taxes, gas taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare taxes, etc, you pretty much have to be living in a cave eating moss to avoid paying taxes in the US.
 
Neally said:
Good news then. Most of the tax burden disproportionately falls on the rich. Nearly half of all people don't pay income tax. Time to flatten out the rates so that they are a bit more equitable.
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"Equitable"? Ask a conservative if being born disadvantaged is fair and you will likely get the answer that "life isn't fair". Point out that happiness tops out around $100,000 of discretionary income per person per year. Point out that it takes lots of money to fund the most expensive military in the world. Point out that dysfunctional societies are negatively correlated to societies that invest in infrastructure, education and social programs. Point out that a progressive tax system is actually in the best interest of the wealthy. Point all of that out and the conservative will suddenly stand on principle and decry taxes as inherently "unfair".
 
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Buckaroo said:
They're not lying. They're just stupid and easily led.
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Look at Neally above. Not only is he "glad" that the wealthy will be given a new, unnecessary, disproportionate "equity" in their tax rates, but he also uses an easily discredited trope about how half of all Americans don't pay "income" tax, while ignoring all the other taxes people pay. Is that being led, or being intentionally dishonest? And the point of this whole thread which he ignored is that being more "equitable" to the billionaires will add $5 trillion to the debt. And he didn't even think that part warranted a response. Hence, Teabaggers are lying when they claim to care about the debt.
 
Unabogie said:
Look at Neally above. Not only is he "glad" that the wealthy will be given a new, unnecessary, disproportionate "equity" in their tax rates, but he also uses an easily discredited trope about how half of all Americans don't pay "income" tax, while ignoring all the other taxes people pay. Is that being led, or being intentionally dishonest? And the point of this whole thread which he ignored is that being more "equitable" to the billionaires will add $5 trillion to the debt. And he didn't even think that part warranted a response. Hence, Teabaggers are lying when they claim to care about the debt.
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I find this persuasive.
 
Unabogie said:
Look at Neally above. Not only is he "glad" that the wealthy will be given a new, unnecessary, disproportionate "equity" in their tax rates, but he also uses an easily discredited trope about how half of all Americans don't pay "income" tax, while ignoring all the other taxes people pay. Is that being led, or being intentionally dishonest? And the point of this whole thread which he ignored is that being more "equitable" to the billionaires will add $5 trillion to the debt. And he didn't even think that part warranted a response. Hence, Teabaggers are lying when they claim to care about the debt.
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I don't think you can exclude Buckaroo's comment in this instance. You have to be intelligent enough to know you are lying.
 
Newtons Bit said:
It's probably because the deficit tripled under Obama.
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Considering how Republicans held the government hostage and demanded the Bush tax cuts be extended, how they insisted that the military get funding increases, and how government growth is the slowest it's been in decades, don't you think that'd be unfair, even if it were true?
 
Neally said:
There is no dispute. The numbers have been taken from the IRS and bipartisan committees in Congress. Google is your friend.
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Those numbers contain the following people.

1. Retired people
2. Homeless people
3. The disabled and others who can not work
4. People who make less than the poverty level
5. People with an income lower than the federal taxable level
6. Families that make enough to pay taxes but receive tax breaks

Please note that all of those people pay sales and other taxes.

The reality is that of your 50% the vast majority either don't make money, can't make money, or don't make enough money.
 
Newtons Bit said:
It's probably because the deficit tripled under Obama.
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That's an awfully weak justification, it seems to me, when everything is factored in.

Let's recall that when President Bush took office in 2001 the U.S. had ended a 28-year run of budget deficits in 1998 and had posted its third straight year of a surplus (and would posts its fourth for 2001). The new administration—a Republican administration—in its first budget promptly reversed that surplus trend and went back into deficit. And stayed in deficit for all eight of its budgets (which included a massive increase in the deficit for its last budget covering fiscal year 2009).

So if there is to be outrage, why not at an administration which was handed several years of surpluses and then immediately went back to deficit spending? And stayed in deficit spending, and not even tried to get to a balanced budget, let alone a surplus.
 
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