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Agatha said:
I'm Henry The Eighth I am.

I don't speak or read any Chinese languages, and other than Alex Chiu, there seems to be no easily accessible English translation of Lee's verses. However, I did find a translation of riddle 56, the one referenced by Peace Crusader.

"Flying but they are not birds,
submerged underwater but they are not fish,
A war is going on but there is no soldier,
what a game of creation."

Alex Chiu translates it as:

"Flyers are not birds, swimmers are not fish,
A war does not depend on soldiers. It's a game of technology.
Millions of miles of deadly smoke, on top a mushroom and at bottom a fountain.
A sight out of people's imagination. Big trouble not solved, but greater trouble arrives."

Wiki led me to a page where Lee's prophecy was written out (although I'm bearing in mind Foolmewunz's warning about the words being rewritten over the centuries) and google translate brings this:

"Fly to non-bird potential non-fish
War are not soldiers fortune game

Chung said:
Territorial seas thousands of miles to make clouds
On until the sky under and Springs
Golden Mother of the wood public work magic to get
Arms missed disaster groaning"

Which is considerably different from Alex Chiu's translation. Nothing about mushrooms or technology.

I'm not convinced by these prophecies or the Holy Spirit, to be honest.
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I have no idea if there are any reliable translations of the various discussions of this in Chinese books or magazines, but it was a popular topic of discussion when I lived in Taipei*. Chiu was a native son and had some very woo followers. I was dating a woman who simply loved to debate and she'd argue with his followers for hours. She was working on a degree in comparative religions and would shred them. To all appearances, his followers** were cult-like true believers. I see in Rational Wiki that his stuff is used by Falun Gong and the like, so that makes sense.

Chiu is a complete woo, himself. His write-up in Rational Wiki doesn't even cover his I-Ching nonsense and interpretations of the Tui Bei Tu. It is rather minor compared to his other whackimony.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Chiu

Have to quote this from the opening. (Autocensor, Do Your Job!)

Alex Chiu claims to be the world's greatest inventor in the history of mankind, a prophet of god, and a cat lover. The rest of the world sees him as so ◊◊◊◊◊◊* insane that Alex Jones and David Icke nearly seem like sane and rational people in comparison. He got his first exposure to reality on Feb 9th, 1999 as the target of a mocking by The Daily Show.[1]
He has been tight lipped about his background, of which he has only stated that his former job was a chef and that he has an AS from The City College of San Francisco.
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*I was in Taipei in '97 and '98. Chiu was predicting WWIII, started by China - what a coincidence - in 2004.
**I don't mean to imply he had massive support. This was a bunch of students at Taiwan Normal University. They hung out at a tea shop and "did that student thing" arguing about stuff - very popular among Chinese students the world over.
 
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1812 Overture


I think that to go with the list of failed doomsday prophecies, there also deserves to be a list of popular excuses for their failure. Does such a list exist?

If not, can I suggest we compile one? If I start it off, please feel free to append your favourite:


1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome.
 
just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen ​



catsmate1 said:
Where's Dani'El these days? :rolleyes:
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He's either secretly running the state of Israel or he's abusing passers-by on the streets of San Francisco...
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
1812 Overture


I think that to go with the list of failed doomsday prophecies, there also deserves to be a list of popular excuses for their failure. Does such a list exist?

If not, can I suggest we compile one? If I start it off, please feel free to append your favourite:


1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome.
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1712 Overture

2) It did happen, but on a spiritual basis, so you unbelievers didn't notice.
3) I made a minor error in my numerology, so it'l really happen on 6 months. For sure this time, no takebacks.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
1812 Overture


I think that to go with the list of failed doomsday prophecies, there also deserves to be a list of popular excuses for their failure. Does such a list exist?

If not, can I suggest we compile one? If I start it off, please feel free to append your favourite:


1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome.
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call 03748327384 for a good time.

4} God in his infinite mercy has postponed the apocalypse.
 
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I haven't read the whole thread but the numbers in PeaceCrusader's posts aren't random. They're the date and the time in 24 hour notation (probably his local time since it doesn't correspond to the post's time).

20120616.2335 = 6/16/2012 @ 11:35pm
 
Excuses

1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome.
2) It did happen, but on a spiritual basis, so you unbelievers didn't notice.
3) I made a minor error in my numerology, so it'l really happen on 6 months. For sure this time, no takebacks.
4) God in his infinite mercy has postponed the apocalypse.
5) Oh, that Olympic games? No, no, the Holy Spirit meant the next Olympics. Definitely.
6) Your skeptical lack of faith allowed satan to disrupt the Holy Spirit's true message, which was that the Olympics will go ahead but the opening ceremony will be a bit ****.
 
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Scopedog said:
I haven't read the whole thread but the numbers in PeaceCrusader's posts aren't random. They're the date and the time in 24 hour notation (probably his local time since it doesn't correspond to the post's time).

20120616.2335 = 6/16/2012 @ 11:35pm
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Three Steps To Heaven

We do actually know this. The numbers in all the other posts are for fun. Because sceptics can have a sense of humour, even while making pertinent points about his "Holy Spirit" claims.
 
Scopedog said:
I haven't read the whole thread but the numbers in PeaceCrusader's posts aren't random. They're the date and the time in 24 hour notation (probably his local time since it doesn't correspond to the post's time).

20120616.2335 = 6/16/2012 @ 11:35pm
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paris 1919

Well knock me down with a feather!
 
Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets.

1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome. odds2/1
2) It did happen, but on a spiritual basis, so you unbelievers didn't notice. odds even money
3) I made a minor error in my numerology, so it'l really happen on 6 months. For sure this time, no takebacks. odds 3/1
4) God in his infinite mercy has postponed the apocalypse. odds 2/1
5) Oh, that Olympic games? No, no, the Holy Spirit meant the next Olympics. Definitely. odds 2/1 on.
6) Your skeptical lack of faith allowed satan to disrupt the Holy Spirit's true message, which was that the Olympics will go ahead but the opening ceremony will be a bit ****. odds 2/1
7) I have got it all wrong, god does not exist. odds 100000000/1
 
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Agatha said:
Three Steps To Heaven

We do actually know this. The numbers in all the other posts are for fun. Because sceptics can have a sense of humour, even while making pertinent points about his "Holy Spirit" claims.
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Out of my brain on the 5:15


It does reveal that some posts take an inordinate amount of time to type (or else PeaceCrusader is transcribing the time incorrectly when the posts are started).
 
Agatha said:
I'm Henry The Eighth I am.

I don't speak or read any Chinese languages, and other than Alex Chiu, there seems to be no easily accessible English translation of Lee's verses. However, I did find a translation of riddle 56, the one referenced by Peace Crusader.

"Flying but they are not birds,
submerged underwater but they are not fish,
A war is going on but there is no soldier,
what a game of creation."

Alex Chiu translates it as:

"Flyers are not birds, swimmers are not fish,
A war does not depend on soldiers. It's a game of technology.
Millions of miles of deadly smoke, on top a mushroom and at bottom a fountain.
A sight out of people's imagination. Big trouble not solved, but greater trouble arrives."

Wiki led me to a page where Lee's prophecy was written out (although I'm bearing in mind Foolmewunz's warning about the words being rewritten over the centuries) and google translate brings this:

"Fly to non-bird potential non-fish
War are not soldiers fortune game

Chung said:
Territorial seas thousands of miles to make clouds
On until the sky under and Springs
Golden Mother of the wood public work magic to get
Arms missed disaster groaning"

Which is considerably different from Alex Chiu's translation. Nothing about mushrooms or technology.

I'm not convinced by these prophecies or the Holy Spirit, to be honest.
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Sounds to me they came directly from the Great Porcelain Throne.

10 0'clock and all's well
 
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dafydd said:
Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets.

1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome. odds2/1
2) It did happen, but on a spiritual basis, so you unbelievers didn't notice. odds even money
3) I made a minor error in my numerology, so it'l really happen on 6 months. For sure this time, no takebacks. odds 3/1
4) God in his infinite mercy has postponed the apocalypse. odds 2/1
5) Oh, that Olympic games? No, no, the Holy Spirit meant the next Olympics. Definitely. odds 2/1 on.
6) Your skeptical lack of faith allowed satan to disrupt the Holy Spirit's true message, which was that the Olympics will go ahead but the opening ceremony will be a bit ****. odds 2/1
7) I have got it all wrong, god does not exist. odds 100000000/1
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12 Monkeys

My money's on 4.


zooterkin said:
Out of my brain on the 5:15


It does reveal that some posts take an inordinate amount of time to type (or else PeaceCrusader is transcribing the time incorrectly when the posts are started).
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The 40-Year-Old Virgin

I think he's using his own time system, which he's trying to get the world to adopt.

So it's perfectly all right to make fun of it.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
20120616.2335

I believe the Chinese people will not be mobilized prior to the start of the war. From the 56th poem of Lee, “A war does not depend on soldiers. It’s a game of technology.”. So the Chinese will attack the US by surprise using technology, such as laser to blind the enemy’s satellites or knock them off.
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1, 2, buckle my shoe.

If it's going to be a war of technology, why were you waffling on about how many soldiers China has?

Or are you changing your tune after being shown how completely implausible the whole 200,000,000 thing was?
 
dafydd said:
Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets.

1) We prayed really hard and God Changed His mind. You're welcome. odds2/1
2) It did happen, but on a spiritual basis, so you unbelievers didn't notice. odds even money
3) I made a minor error in my numerology, so it'l really happen on 6 months. For sure this time, no takebacks. odds 3/1
4) God in his infinite mercy has postponed the apocalypse. odds 2/1
5) Oh, that Olympic games? No, no, the Holy Spirit meant the next Olympics. Definitely. odds 2/1 on.
6) Your skeptical lack of faith allowed satan to disrupt the Holy Spirit's true message, which was that the Olympics will go ahead but the opening ceremony will be a bit ****. odds 2/1
7) I have got it all wrong, god does not exist. odds 100000000/1
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1. e2-e4.

My money is on 5.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
The salvation of a person depends upon himself. Here is the prescription from the Physician. However, the patient does not want to take it. So how can you expect him to be healed?
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NCC-1701

But what happens when the Physician turns out to be a Quack?
 
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