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Ye cannae take pictures of yur dinner

I'm completely baffled by this whole thing. There are a few meals there that look like a school lunch, but most of it is closer to what I'd be happy to buy in a restaurant. Heck, look at the pictures she posts that were sent to her of American lunches for comparison. Do Scottish kids really eat this well at school in general?



I only went 4 or 5 pages in, but the only cheeseburger I found was not great looking, but far from crap. It just didn't have much cheese on it, from what I could see. There were plenty of lunches that were substantially more dodgy that have been sent to her from kids in other countries.

The whole problem here seems to be that everyone involved just assumed Martha's blog was a campaign attacking the poor quality of school meals, but it is no such thing. If only they'd actually bothered to read it...
 
I think she's done rather well in taking those photographs. It can be very difficult to take pictures of food and make it look even vaguely appetising. Professional food photos are usually largely fake.
 
I think she's done rather well in taking those photographs. It can be very difficult to take pictures of food and make it look even vaguely appetising. Professional food photos are usually largely fake.


I was thinking the same thing. These are photos of actual food, not faked-up photography props. It looks more appetising than I would expect under the circumstances, even assuming the meals were perfectly fine.

I'm baffled by the commentary criticising the food, and implying Martha was criticising it. Jamie Oliver ("shocking") especially. The last time I went to that blog it was by following a "look how awful these school dinners are" link, and I came away a bit baffled because there wasn't anything there about awful school dinners.

Sausages and burgers are items you really can't judge without tasting them. They can look awful and taste heavenly, or the opposite. It's even harder to judge from a photograph. And bear in mind the portions are for a nine-year-old schoolgirl, not a builder's labourer.

Rolfe.
 
Jamie Oliver has some responsibility too, because he seems to have been saying things like "shocking", when the food isn't shocking at all. Some days are better than others, but the lowest rating BBC Scotland could find was a 4/10, and she gave the most recent meal 10/10.

Part of Oliver's thing is to improve the standards of school meals for various reasons; not least is that it may be the only decent meal some kids get all day. The fact that Martha thought some meals were great doesn't really tell us anything about the quality of that food; when I was her age I thought that the ubiquitous Spam Fritter was the acme of school meals.

Some of the meals do look not-bad, but most of them fall well short of the standard that he was hoping to raise school meals to. And considering how long ago that campaign began, could you honestly look at the lunch from the 24th May and say it doesn't fall into the "shocking" category? Or either of the things listed under 8th May?

These are supposed to be healthy, nutritious and delicious meals; a cheap cheeseburger, chips and a cake with "sticky, gooey icing" hardly seems to qualify. (9/10 rating)
 
IIRC Jamie Oliver got Charles Clarke (then Education sec) to eat a B. Matthews turkey twizzler on TV and say "Mmm, that's fine, can I have another?"
 
IIRC Jamie Oliver got Charles Clarke (then Education sec) to eat a B. Matthews turkey twizzler on TV and say "Mmm, that's fine, can I have another?"

That sort of thing always works out terribly well for politicians. Where is Charles Clarke these days anyway? I bet he must be terribly high-up in the shadow cabinet, with judgement like that.
 
Incredible the sorts of messes ham-fisted bureaucrats get themselves into, isn't it? As I'm writing this - at 13 minutes past the hour - the counter turned over at 3,000,000 hits. Since apparently this is on all the news stations in the UK, I'm betting it hits 4,000,000 by tomorrow.*

The name of the blog was her only real complaint, IIRC. "Never seconds" refers to the fact that she alludes to in one blog post - that she leaves the lunch room hungry. She actually liked quite a lot of the food, but she would've liked to have had more. That's why she mentions in the most recent posts that they got chatted up by the hired help and were told "Well golly, kids. No one ever asked for seconds, so we didn't know you wanted any. Of course you can have seconds; that's always been the policy." (I paraphrase, of course.)

Can one of the Scots confirm/deny. Is Scotland like Canada, the USA and Thailand(**)? The government has various grants to agriculture and the dairy industry, and one of those on many state and provincial levels (in Thailand it's federal) is that the state buys copious quantities of milk, butter and bread and gives the schools as much of it as they want - for free (except that nothing's free, of course). So schools can give as many servings of dairy products and bread/rolls as the kids will eat. The school admins just have to offer it. When I was growing up in Louisiana, the state even made the same sweetheart deals available to private schools.

*Hell, they're now getting 190,000 hits an hour! In six minutes, they got 19,000 hits, so I averaged it out. She could break 6,000,000 by tomorrow if this goes any more viral!

(**) I just learned this today. Marcello got off the school bus and the teacher's assistant had me sign something (in Thai) as she said "Milk". She then said "Wait." And she came back from the bus with a case of 36 sippy sized cartons of UHT milk. They're just getting conscientious about calcium in diets in Asia over the past decade and having a very young but now fairly healthy dairy industry, the government buys large amounts of milk and mandates that the schools give it out and that they get signatures to prove they haven't turned it back into the gray market.

When Mart was pregnant all her Thai friends and Chinese friends were surprised that she wasn't on calcium supplements because they'd all been put on them when they were having babies (in HK or in Thailand). But Mart loved milk - in fact when she went in for her second trimester checkup the doc asked her if she was drinking milk and Mart answered "Two each day." The doctor told her she needed to have four cups a day. "Cups?? I drink two liters a day."
 
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Incredible the sorts of messes ham-fisted bureaucrats get themselves into, isn't it? As I'm writing this - at 13 minutes past the hour - the counter turned over at 3,000,000 hits. Since apparently this is on all the news stations in the UK, I'm betting it hits 4,000,000 by tomorrow.*


Hope Mary's Meals makes a packet. The wife of our local SNP councillor does something with that charity, and I know they can always use more money.

The name of the blog was her only real complaint, IIRC. "Never seconds" refers to the fact that she alludes to in one blog post - that she leaves the lunch room hungry. She actually liked quite a lot of the food, but she would've liked to have had more. That's why she mentions in the most recent posts that they got chatted up by the hired help and were told "Well golly, kids. No one ever asked for seconds, so we didn't know you wanted any. Of course you can have seconds; that's always been the policy." (I paraphrase, of course.)


Hah, that's funny! The thing is, kids like that sort of food. You might be able to diss it on nutritional grounds, but that's not what Martha was doing. It's funny nobody realised they could have seconds though - foul though my school dinners were, if you wanted more everybody knew you could have it.

Can one of the Scots confirm/deny. Is Scotland like Canada, the USA and Thailand(**)? The government has various grants to agriculture and the dairy industry, and one of those on many state and provincial levels (in Thailand it's federal) is that the state buys copious quantities of milk, butter and bread and gives the schools as much of it as they want - for free (except that nothing's free, of course). So schools can give as many servings of dairy products and bread/rolls as the kids will eat. The school admins just have to offer it. When I was growing up in Louisiana, the state even made the same sweetheart deals available to private schools.


I don't believe so. Might be something for the Scottish government to consider, but as far as I know it's not something that happens here. All that happens is that school children get a small bottle of milk free every day. Or they used to when I was a kid, before Thatcher the Milk Snatcher, I don't know how it is now.

Rolfe.
 
Just googled "Thatcher the Milk Snatcher". Great reading. I can't recall the story getting much play in the US at the time, but we didn't have forty 'round the clock cable news networks back then.
 
I don't believe so. Might be something for the Scottish government to consider, but as far as I know it's not something that happens here. All that happens is that school children get a small bottle of milk free every day. Or they used to when I was a kid, before Thatcher the Milk Snatcher, I don't know how it is now.

Rolfe.

Depends on the local council:

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2011/...-schools-as-councils-refuse-scheme-guarantee/

At my kids' school they get subsidised milk, about 18p/day. But mine don't have it because they are cows milk allergic/intolerant.
 
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Whoopee! It's an ill wind, and all that.

The late night news seemed to indicate that people had caught up with the actualite. The council bod was noting smugly that Martha gave the food 10/10 on a number of occasions, and the "celebrity chef" was criticising people for not reading the blog and assuming it was slagging off the food when it wasn't.

And the DR article that was the real culprit was being described as "tongue in cheek".

Yeah right.

Rolfe.
 
The food looks fine to me, and I don't see Martha saying it isn't.

Yeah. I read the blog after seeing all the media coverage, and most of the time the girl was quite pleased with her food.
 

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