Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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The Shrike said:
Not only that, but a bigfoot angry with the puny humans for domesticating wild grapes . . . or something.
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Yeah.. that is the sad part of the story. Very poorly socialized Bigfoot/person/thing/creature ! You would think that someone would have taught it to share the grapes ?
 
AttorneyTom said:
Interesting family story though whatever the real thing about it was.. Reminds me of my father's claim that he lost all his hair because he had to wear a helmet during WWII in the Pacific Theatre ? And also , of course, the one about how he played the harmonica in the United States Marine Band ?

Which brings this to mind.

To all of you who have served this Nation in Service.. Thank You on this Memorial Day.

Tom

PS: My dad couldnt carry a tune jsyk..
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That must of been one big harmonica. :)


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AttorneyTom said:
I once represented a 9 year old in Juvenile Ct. He was charged with vandalism and criminal damaging. His next door neighbors went out of town for a week of vacation. When they came home their home was flooded from the basement up to the window sills of the first floor.

We went to trial. Testimony from the other neighborhood kids pointed out that my client had taken the neighbors garden hose, turned on their water and poked it through a small hole in a window screen and let the water run for 5 days. He told me that one of the other neighbor kids did this.. or maybe it was Bigfoot.
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Wow! Where I come from - 12 years old is the absolute minimum for charges and that is reserved for pretty heinous crimes and still very controversial.
 
From the BFF: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/31312-why-im-not-a-fan-of-sticktree-structures/page__st__30

A thread discounting a dumpload of stick structures as they are 99%.99999 either weather and natural related or, human made, ie: debree huts made by hunters and the like, but good ol' Mulder again cites one of the biggest fallacies in footer thinking today, could be maybe sorta = fact, and a good ol' Meldrum reference just to round it out.

I suppose I'm posting this out of a wee bit of irritation with this kind of thinking being the roach after atomic testing that it is. I am open minded towards the possibility of the critter's existence, all here know that, but this kinda crap thinking helps noone, embrace the most likely possibility, disprove, and consier next most likley, disprove, and keep working your back til you get to the wierd, if you can. This kind of ******** thinking helps nothing.
 
rockinkt said:
Wow! Where I come from - 12 years old is the absolute minimum for charges and that is reserved for pretty heinous crimes and still very controversial.
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This was 1989 and yes very young. At that time if the court psychologist found that if you knew the difference between the truth and not telling the truth.. right from wrong in this State... well you were considered to be competent to stand trial and/or testify. I often wonder whatever happened to the boy later in life.. how he faired and what he is all about now at age 32 I guess ?

The standard remains the same here. I would think that despite the same standard of application a kid that age would probably not be charged with Aggravated Murder. We had a Juvenile Court Judge at that time that was just a bit "different" ? Appointed to the bench due to retirement and then lost his election. Certainly wasnt because he wasnt "tough" on crime.. as they used to promote back then. I just hope my client didnt become a "Bigfoot Researcher". Hopefully a Marine Biologist instead... studying Mermaids and.. no .. Discovering new species of hose shaped jellyfish ?
 
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Jodie said:
I think you might find you have more in common with those bigfoot proponents you seem to detest than you realize.
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You didn't list any, and this is just an ad-hom. I also noted that despite claiming you had unearthed evidence on "both sides" pertaining to animal enumeration, what you actually did was post four links with zero backing for your pro-bigfoot stance. So that intellectual dishonesty is duly noted.

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If I understand the sacred story now, which is the major underpinning of the bigfoot belief in this case, a ten-year old returns from a damaged vineyard. The parents are told it was not he who damaged the vineyard, but a bigfoot.

The "proof" for bigfoot is the incredulity a ten year old could dislodge railroad ties used for landscaping.

I've been throwing railroad ties around for years. I use the real ones for footings or pilings for buildings. The bridge ties, which are much larger than normal ones. Landscaping ties are CALLED railroad ties, but they're made of light pine, not heavy oak. They weigh half what a real tie weighs. When they've dried out and are old they weigh way less than a hundred pounds. A ten year old kid that can't move a landscaping tie around is a real wimp.

My two year old is packing green birch logs right now and working on the heavy bag punching. By the time he's ten he'll be able to throw landscaping ties over his head with harai-goshi and break cement blocks with his bare hands. Nothing exceptional if you follow child athletes. There is a ten year old girl who can squat 215 lbs.

So the bigfoot "evidence" in this case seems to be that "My father was too much of a wimp".
 
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I always thought that UFO abductions, were poorly though out excuses for someone tying one on and ending up in the wrong 'lady's' person's bed.

8AM husband returns home

WIFE: And where have you been all night? hmm? Pack up your crap and get out.

HUSBAND: But honey, I were kidnapped by Arliens! I wuz scared...

WIFE: Oh sweety I'm sorry.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
You didn't list any, and this is just an ad-hom. I also noted that despite claiming you had unearthed evidence on "both sides" pertaining to animal enumeration, what you actually did was post four links with zero backing for your pro-bigfoot stance. So that intellectual dishonesty is duly noted.

You lost me on that one, they were links regarding wildlife enumeration methods and management in general.

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If I understand the sacred story now, which is the major underpinning of the bigfoot belief in this case, a ten-year old returns from a damaged vineyard. The parents are told it was not he who damaged the vineyard, but a bigfoot.

According to Pa, my father never said anything about the damage since it hadn't happened yet when he was run off by whatever this was, it's still hear say either way.

The "proof" for bigfoot is the incredulity a ten year old could dislodge railroad ties used for landscaping.

That is what I understood, but I never asked how they were put down.

They were not landscaping railroad ties, these were discarded railroad ties. Where would anyone get what you are talking about back in the early 1940's? Did they even make those then?

No one landscaped on farms back then because of snakes. You kept trees and grass away from the house. I never said the word "proof" but the story was my primary reason for belief.

I've been throwing railroad ties around for years. I use the real ones for footings or pilings for buildings. The bridge ties, which are much larger than normal ones. Landscaping ties are CALLED railroad ties, but they're made of light pine, not heavy oak. They weigh half what a real tie weighs. When they've dried out and are old they weigh way less than a hundred pounds. A ten year old kid that can't move a landscaping tie around is a real wimp.

I'm sure they could have if they existed back then, that's not what I understood them to be.

My two year old is packing green birch logs right now and working on the heavy bag punching. By the time he's ten he'll be able to throw landscaping ties over his head with harai-goshi and break cement blocks with his bare hands. Nothing exceptional if you follow child athletes. There is a ten year old girl who can squat 215 lbs.

I can tell you are proud of him, maybe you could share a pic one day?


So the bigfoot "evidence" in this case seems to be that "My father was too much of a wimp".
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LOLOL... I hope your son grows up to have better sense than his daddy. :-)
 
If you continue to dodge and ad-hom your way out of the "intelligent discussion" you claimed to be looking for, you'll become a forum joke like SweatyYeti.

SweatyJodie?

Why not address each point in full as we bring them up? You ignore or handwave away our most important arguments, while inventing reasons to cling to the magical belief system you developed to accept your father's childhood fantasy as factual.
 
Vortigern99 said:
If you continue to dodge and ad-hom your way out of the "intelligent discussion" you claimed to be looking for, you'll become a forum joke like SweatyYeti.

SweatyJodie?

Why not address each point in full as we bring them up? You ignore or handwave away our most important arguments, while inventing reasons to cling to the magical belief system you developed to accept your father's childhood fantasy as factual.
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I addressed all points with a valid answer. If those responses were ad hom's that does not mean that they were not a reasonable critique of the points. I'm very clear as to what my stance is: There is no evidence for the existence of bigfoot. I have begun to question whether bigfoot ever existed or still exists. In doing this my argument is how well was the site/evidence/ or circumstances assessed? That is a reasonable place to start in my mind.

So far I am no longer taking my father's story as gospel, simply because it is a story. I have answered all points on that to the best of my knowledge based on what I was told and what I know to be true for the time and area.

Bush doesn't seem to like what I found for wildlife management practices in North Carolina. I don't know what else to say about that, it is what it is. The environment is different so it would necessitate different processes but the end result was the same in my mind. Someone would likely see some kind of indication of existence somewhere.

I'm at a loss as to how the PGF relates to me personally since it was never a big factor in my belief of bigfoot. It can't be proven real or fake so it has to be dismissed for consideration. Am I wrong in this?

What did I miss?
 
That's certainly a more substantive reply than the one above, in which you handwave away ABP's points and close with a condescending insult: "I hope your son grows up to have better sense than his daddy." Or is that more of the "humor" you're so keen on introducing into this discussion?
 
Vortigern99 said:
That's certainly a more substantive reply than the one above, in which you handwave away ABP's points and close with a condescending insult: "I hope your son grows up to have better sense than his daddy." Or is that more of the "humor" you're so keen on introducing into this discussion?
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I absolutely clarified every incorrect point he made, I fail to see how much weight his son can lift and what he thinks of my father's personality as having anything to do with the discussion, can you enlighten me on that one?

My so called insult was simply an opinion of Bush based on his assessment of a family member of mine that he has never met. I thought my remark was exactly on target.
 
Jodie said:
I addressed all points with a valid answer. If those responses were ad hom's that does not mean that they were not a reasonable critique of the points. I'm very clear as to what my stance is: There is no evidence for the existence of bigfoot. I have begun to question whether bigfoot ever existed or still exists. In doing this my argument is how well was the site/evidence/ or circumstances assessed? That is a reasonable place to start in my mind.

So far I am no longer taking my father's story as gospel, simply because it is a story. I have answered all points on that to the best of my knowledge based on what I was told and what I know to be true for the time and area.

Bush doesn't seem to like what I found for wildlife management practices in North Carolina. I don't know what else to say about that, it is what it is. The environment is different so it would necessitate different processes but the end result was the same in my mind. Someone would likely see some kind of indication of existence somewhere.

I'm at a loss as to how the PGF relates to me personally since it was never a big factor in my belief of bigfoot. It can't be proven real or fake so it has to be dismissed for consideration. Am I wrong in this?

What did I miss?
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Yes, you are wrong on the PGF not being proven to be a fake but that is not a topic for this thread. The film is real but there are a number of PGF threads on this site that, when viewed objectively, prove it to be a real film of a bloke in a suit.

Since you've spent a lot of time on the BFF you've probably absorbed more smoke than a guest at a stoner's convention but even at the BFF enough evidence can be found, when viewed objectively, to see that Patty is not a bigfoot.
 
It is still being debated after several decades, that is not an indication of it being conclusively fake or authentic.
 
Uh, yeah. Well, a handfull of unique individuals with closed minds ranting on the internet about imaginary torn muscles is not really a debate.
 
GT/CS said:
Uh, yeah. Well, a handfull of unique individuals with closed minds ranting on the internet about imaginary torn muscles is not really a debate.
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I can't really comment about your point since I'm not sure who the unique individuals are that you are talking about or what they said about torn muscles, I'm sorry.
 
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