Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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GT/CS said:
Lighten up Francis!
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While ABP has perhaps been a little heavy handed at times, albeit righteously for the most part, I don't believe he's out of line in this instance AT ALL. Jodie came here pretending to want an intelligent conversation about Bigfoot. She/he then got what she/he was supposedly looking for, but has since realized she/he doesn't really like the unrelenting, brutally honest nature of it. For instance, sweeping 'minor details' under the rug when they don't suffice for her/his argument doesn't work so easily with the folks here who've in fact been over the 'minor details' a thousand ways to Sunday. Undoubtedly a lot more than Jodie ever thought or was prepared to accept.

I think she/he was under the false impression we're Bigfoot skeptics because...just because. That we don't really have any basis for it except to be contradictory for its own sake. She/he will likely never admit it, but it's obvious she/he truly misjudged us. I wonder why!
 
Vortigern99 said:
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Further, am I to understand from your description of the account that your father was ten years old at the time of the sighting?
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you are to.

hey, there are lots of ten year olds testifying on 'finding bigfoot." Do I have to post the pictures again?

plus...Roger freakin Patterson.
 
parnassus said:
you are to.

hey, there are lots of ten year olds testifying on 'finding bigfoot." Do I have to post the pictures again?

plus...Roger freakin Patterson.
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Now wait.. It isnt like they put the 10 year old kids under oath ? So.. but that can be done.

I have enjoyed my interactions with Jodie on the BREF.. and also the rest of you guys. Also, I have enjoyed her candor and personal family story about some large deformed african american gardener/vine security man.
 
I don't know anything other than what I was told. If it was a hallucination I would think he would have had more than one and be either physically or mentally ill at the time. No one ever mentioned anything like that in conjunction with his sighting.

Whatever it was scared him pretty badly which was why my grandfather bothered to go check things out. It might have been, as Tom says, the large African American Garden/Vine guy for lack of a better description that got scared and ran when he saw my father panicking. It was rural Mississippi in the 1940's, no good could come of it for a vagrant African American man trespassing. I'ld rather settle for that as a logical explanation.
 
Interesting family story though whatever the real thing about it was.. Reminds me of my father's claim that he lost all his hair because he had to wear a helmet during WWII in the Pacific Theatre ? And also , of course, the one about how he played the harmonica in the United States Marine Band ?

Which brings this to mind.

To all of you who have served this Nation in Service.. Thank You on this Memorial Day.

Tom

PS: My dad couldnt carry a tune jsyk..
 
I had an actual hallucination once. It was quite memorable and quite frightening, even though it was auditory-only. I heard a man's voice say, quite loudly and distinctly, three nonsense words. I was alone in the house (and I made sure to check carefully), and I wasn't particularly tired or anything. It very much freaked me out, and for about a week afterwards, I kept worrying that I was going to have dogs telling me to kill people, or something, but it never recurred, and it's been over 20 years now. So hallucinations can definitely be random, one-time events.

As for Jodie's father though, I find lying more plausible. Even if he was generally a truthful man, it's still possible that he could have started to embellish just this one particular story about a random encounter with some dimly seen figure in the forest, just because of positive feedback from his listeners. It happens. He could even have started to convince himself that there was more to the story than there was.
 
Despite the obvious logical fallacy in believing a story because it was related by a trusted source, I understand that it's easy for people to fall into that trap. There are many 'footers who trace their belief to a story from a parent, grandparent, trusted uncle, etc.

Where I'm having trouble here Jodie is why you would put stock in a story from a 10 year old boy, no matter what his eventual relationship to you. I live with one of those and I love him to pieces and think he's really smart. Nonetheless, he's TEN. His grasp of reality is tenuous, at best.
 
The Shrike said:
Despite the obvious logical fallacy in believing a story because it was related by a trusted source, I understand that it's easy for people to fall into that trap. There are many 'footers who trace their belief to a story from a parent, grandparent, trusted uncle, etc.

Where I'm having trouble here Jodie is why you would put stock in a story from a 10 year old boy, no matter what his eventual relationship to you. I live with one of those and I love him to pieces and think he's really smart. Nonetheless, he's TEN. His grasp of reality is tenuous, at best.
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I trusted my grandfather's take on it, he believed him because he could not see how my father could have torn the railroad ties holding the vines up out of the ground.
 
Fine, but what does that have to do with bigfoot?

Believing your grandfather's account of damaged railroad ties and believing your then 10-year-old father's account of an uncatalogued giant primate are two separate things.
 
Vortigern99 said:
Fine, but what does that have to do with bigfoot?

Believing your grandfather's account of damaged railroad ties and believing your then 10-year-old father's account of an uncatalogued giant primate are two separate things.
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Between the time my father had his sighting, got home, related what happened, something created the damage. My grandfather was dubious that my father had encountered anything unusual, even though Dad was clearly frightened by something, until he saw the damage for himself.

It didn't occur to me at the time to ask why it was impressive, I assume it was the amount of damage done in the short amount of time in between the sighting and Pa going to investigate.
 
An anecdotal account is far more psychologically compelling when it comes from someone we know personally. It's harder to be objective in that situation.

An antidote to taking putting a lot of stock into anecdotal accounts is to consider that Mermaids were once taken very seriously.
 
So something big and strong enough to tear up railroad ties can swat a running ten yr. old on the butt and not cause the boy to at least fall over???
BS. Nothing about this story rings true and it obviously comes from the imagination of a ten year old. He may have seen something - or imagined he saw something - and then built the whole story from there.
Listen to Saskeptic - there is a very, very, good reason why the testimony of ten year old children is not considered trustworthy in a court of law.
 
rockinkt said:
So something big and strong enough to tear up railroad ties can swat a running ten yr. old on the butt and not cause the boy to at least fall over???
BS. Nothing about this story rings true and it obviously comes from the imagination of a ten year old. He may have seen something - or imagined he saw something - and then built the whole story from there.
Listen to Saskeptic - there is a very, very, good reason why the testimony of ten year old children is not considered trustworthy in a court of law.
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But which parts are imagination and which are true? The only evidence you have are the torn up vines and the rail road ties that were pulled up out the ground. At this point, even that's anecdotal.
 
I once represented a 9 year old in Juvenile Ct. He was charged with vandalism and criminal damaging. His next door neighbors went out of town for a week of vacation. When they came home their home was flooded from the basement up to the window sills of the first floor.

We went to trial. Testimony from the other neighborhood kids pointed out that my client had taken the neighbors garden hose, turned on their water and poked it through a small hole in a window screen and let the water run for 5 days. He told me that one of the other neighbor kids did this.. or maybe it was Bigfoot.
 
Your grandfather may have underestimated the destructive power of a mischievous ten year old boy.

Oops, Tom beat me to it.
 
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He might have. I never asked what the railroad ties were anchored with or how much of the vineyard was destroyed so it remains just a story.
 
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