Conservatives? What did Reverend Wright say that was so wrong?

[TruthersLie]

Wowsers... project much?

Can you tell me where I said any of what you just claimed? Feel free.

 

[RandFan]

American politics and religion go together hand in hand. The historical evidence of churches pushing political affiliation is so common as to be a non starter.

Let's grant you the premise. Is being a congregant necessarily nontrivial? And if church is theological are ideological view points by necessity nontrivial?

You see, visit with and spend a day a week with someone for several hours, every week for 20 years. Are you really going to try to pass off the "trivial" relationship? Really?

Again, let's accept that, so then it logically follows that all congregants share the very same beliefs? More importantly, that congregants are less likely to share identical ideological beliefs than theological ones. Nearly all evangelical Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, they aren't all Republicans.

Ah... but was your mother a mormon and made you attend mormon temple for twenty years?

Yes (it was church. I only attended the temple on certain occasions). She made me attend until I didn't need her to make me. Which was probably in my teens.

You have made a choice. Obama made the same choice.. and he sat there for 20 years. Now I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack, but if you sit there for 20 years, you have made a choice that you like what you hear. If you didn't like it, you'd leave.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I was a Mormon for more than 30 years and there was much I didn't like and much I disagreed with. See, here is the point. Belief and attendance to a church isn't about complete agreement. It might surprise some people to find out that congregants are diverse with different view points. Most Mormons are Republican but not all. Harry Reid is Mormon and he is the Democrat Senate Majority leader.

 

[gnome]

Someont brought up Tonkin... while it may be inaccurate to say that the government invented the incident to justify war, is it really terribly different to use bad information with no regard to its accuracy for the same purpose? As far as I can tell, that's what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin "second incident"

 

[crimresearch]

Wowsers... project much?

Can you tell me where I said any of what you just claimed? Feel free.

After you point out where I said my post had anything to do with you, instead of the several posts here that *did* label Wright's speech as 'racist'.

And then after that you can point out where I said that Wright was a racist, as you just claimed I projected.

I won't be holding my breath.

 

[xjx388]

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I was a Mormon for more than 30 years and there was much I didn't like and much I disagreed with. See, here is the point. Belief and attendance to a church isn't about complete agreement. It might surprise some people to find out that congregants are diverse with different view points. Most Mormons are Republican but not all. Harry Reid is Mormon and he is the Democrat Senate Majority leader.

I was a Catholic for 30 years. I totally disagreed with a lot of things too. But if my Priest had begun preaching outright fabrications about the US Govt based on racial propaganda, I don't think I would have stuck around as long as I did.

 

[RandFan]

I was a Catholic for 30 years. I totally disagreed with a lot of things too. But if my Priest had begun preaching outright fabrications about the US Govt based on racial propaganda, I don't think I would have stuck around as long as I did.

Yes. Walking on water, turning water into wine, talking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, *genocide, drowning children, tribalism. I see your point. You obviously had the common sense, critical thinking and skepticism necassary to see past racism and outright fabrications.

BTW: The Book of Mormon is an outright fabrication. Not letting blacks hold the priesthood is racism. I guess that doesn't speak well of Romney (or me for that matter but at least I eventually left, as did Obama. Romney?).

*Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Other than the whole nationalized health care, quadrupling the national debt and about a dozen other "liberal" "left" ideas... he hasn't shown any left leaning inclinations...

*until Clinton/Bush, the republicans had the high ground on fiscal responsibility

Wait, you mean the Republican health care system that Obama copied? The one Romney installed in Massachusetts a while back? That "liberal" "left" idea? I had no idea the Republicans were so liberal. Same goes for increasing the national debt, the only president in the last thirty years to NOT increase the national debt was Clinton. What's this high ground again?

 

[AvalonXQ]

Wait, you mean the Republican health care system that Obama copied?

Even if you're right that ObamaCare copied all 70 pages of RomneyCare, do you mind telling us where the other 2,330 pages of ObamaCare came from?

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

I don't mean RomneyCare, I mean the health care proposed in the 90s in response to HilaryCare.

 

[crimresearch]

I don't mean RomneyCare, I mean the health care proposed in the 90s in response to HilaryCare.

Ahhhh.. TennCare. You might want to quit while you are ahead.

 

[Ausmerican]

Y'know, back in '08, I said I'd never vote for a Mormon as President. Eventually somebody talked me out of that.

I wonder if the same will eventually happen with atheists.

So does this mean that, at this time, you will not vote for atheists?

 

[AvalonXQ]

So does this mean that, at this time, you will not vote for atheists?

Correct.

 

[Ausmerican]

Correct.

So, when it comes to politics, you have a religious litmus test that is in opposition to the constitution? At least you are honest in your bigotry I suppose.

 

[RandFan]

So does this mean that, at this time, you will not vote for atheists?

Correct.

Understandable. They are misogynistic, have a tradition of racism and are based on fraud.

Oh wait, that's Mormonism. Atheist don't believe in god which is bad because... wait, what?

 

[AvalonXQ]

So, when it comes to politics, you have a religious litmus test that is in opposition to the constitution?

The Constitution doesn't have anything to say about an individual voter restricting her votes according to religious preference.

There are a lot of things that can matter to a voter but would be wrong if codified into law as requirements of office.

 

[Ausmerican]

The Constitution doesn't have anything to say about an individual voter restricting her votes according to religious preference.

There are a lot of things that can matter to a voter but would be wrong if codified into law as requirements of office.

Well, like I said, at least you are an honest bigot.
Seems incredible to me that if you are given the choice between possibly the greatest President ever and a complete reprobate, you would choose either the reprobate or to not vote rather than vote for the great choice if he doesn't share your particular superstition.

 

[AvalonXQ]

Well, like I said, at least you are an honest bigot.

Bigot, bigot, bigot.

 

[Ausmerican]

Bigot, bigot, bigot.

Is there a word that means the same thing that you prefer?
The particular religion you follow has the instruction "Judge not lest ye be judged." and yet you seem to have judged an entire class of people unfit to hold elected office in your country. Ask among the atheists here and you will find no such prohibition against voting for the religious. The fanatical yes, but not the religious.

Still, your bible tells you not to judge, the constitution advises against religious tests for political office and yet you prefer to take a path that makes you less inclusive than those you are prejudiced against.

It's like Ghandi said; “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Must be hard to live up to ideals that the founding fathers and Jesus cant, I sympathize.

 

[RandFan]

Bigot, bigot, bigot.

Is there a reason why a Mormon would be preferential to an atheist?

 

[Tricky]

Bigot, bigot, bigot.

Well, yeah. Voting against a candidate strictly for their religious beliefs without any consideration of their positions on issues is a textbook example of bigotry. I think you're a nice guy, Avalon, but even nice guys can be bigots. I grew up in Alabama and most of my family are racists. That doesn't mean they're not nice in many other ways.