Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Yeah Shrike - glad you know the area. So I gather your thesis was on bigfoot food sources in the Pine Creek Gorge.

Right Drewbot. They do the animal counts in a lot of states with supercubs and of course the big game hunting guides use them to get people to the most remote hunting sites. This is a supercub Jodie:

I totaled that one in the Alaska Range when I was moose hunting with my brother, but I got an even better one now. This shot is from where the George Glacier meets the Kniik Glacier. The only way in is by supercub. I'm usually a lot grubbier than this, but I dressed up for the camera.

These planes fly at about 38 mph with the mods I got on them, so if you are flying into the wind you're basically standing still. Nothing can hide from you Jodie. Once the foliage comes down and there is any kind of snow, you can track anything that moves from the air. With those tires I can land on rocks as bit as mailboxes and I have plenty of pictures to demonstrate that. When you said it costs someone a lot of money and you have to go to a lot of effort to get to the most remote places in the United States - that would be me. There aren't any bigfoot in these places, but there are a lot of bears and wolves and such.

 

[Joecool]

If this is true, it might be possible that some of their descendants survived, I just can't reconcile the description of a sasquatch with feral people as I don't think they would totally give up fire, the use of tools, etc... not to mention the morphological differences. Nothing about these creatures sound human to me other than they walk upright.

And bush pilot, there are many areas of the United States and Canada that are inaccessible unless you put forth great effort and expense to get there. You know full well that 97% of the population in the United States occupies just 3% of the land area. As a matter of fact, you could stand every citizen in the United States shoulder to shoulder and only cover the state of Rhode Island. So the argument that we've placed are feet on every square inch of the North American continent and have seen everything there is to see simply isn't true. That doesn't mean sasquatch is out there but your argument is equally flawed.

But in the bigfoot shows I have seen on discovery channel, the bigfoot has been seen wandering near highways and encroaching on people's backyards and stuff. I find it very hard to believe the complete absence of any bonfide physical evidence.

I don't put much hope in plastered footprints and things that can be manmade. A dead body or fossil evidence would be helpful.

 

[The Shrike]

ABP - I noticed right off the cushioning of the tires compared to the spartan seats in the cab. Nice!

The attached photo? That's Appalachian wilderness in PA. It's loaded with bears, and so lush and rugged that it supports healthy breeding populations of Mourning Warbler, Swainson's Thrush, and Winter Wren. It's muy squatchy. It's also accessible enough that some dude can take his sweetheart down a secluded trail - in her skirt and heels - and they can make mad, passionate monkey-love in the wilderness, but lose her pantyhose on the way back to the car.*


*Of course there are other potential explanations but I prefer to imagine the one I described.

 

[RayG]

In the forest they never:
trip and break a leg? they're too agile for that

have a stroke? family members take them away to the secret recovery glade, and if by chance the bf dies, they take the body away to the secret bigfoot burial location

get shot? bf can't be downed unless it's a head shot with a very large caliber, and who's going to shoot something that looks so human anyway?

fall and fracture their skull? bf do not 'fall' unless they want to. They are the Chuck Norris of the woods

climb a tree and fall out? an injury that would kill a puny human doesn't phase bf. Think Hulk of the woods

fight and kill one another? they only spar with each other for amusement, never to settle scores or become the alpha male

become crippled for any reason and unable to escape detection? even if crippled they can blend in with their background like a chameleon

try to cross a frozen river or lake and fall through? they're too smart to tread on thin ice

get struck by lightning? they go underground during lightning storms

accidentally cut a major artery? they don't play with knives

get too close to the cliff edge? they are always acutely aware of their surroundings and know where the edge of every cliff is located

just plain drown? they are natural born swimmers

get caught in a flash flood? they quickly fashion a surf board and ride it out

get trapped by a forest fire? child, please. Bf trapped by a mere forest fire? Shirley you jest. Bf always have an escape plan, that's why nobody has ever bagged one

get taken out by a wolf pack? A wolf pack is no match for a bf. He'd rip 'em to shreds

don't make it to shelter before the blizzard hits? Doesn't need to. A blizzard is like a cool summer breeze to a bf

lose a youngster to a predator? Predators don't dare to mess with bf, and the young ones can scamper up the flimsiest of trees when threatened

have a heart attack? he just fights it off, takes a deep breath, and carries on

step in a gopher hole? bf are aware of every twig and blade of grass in their neck of the woods. They are like a big hairy woods-jedi

eat fermented fruit and get drunk and pass out? only when celebrating with bf friends who carry home the ones that pass out

get old and break a hip? their bone structure isn't like that of any other creature

build a shelter in a deadly spot and pay for it? You cannot fool a bf no matter how smart you think you are

break an ankle on a root? oh c'mon, now you're really reaching... Bf smash roots and replant the offending tree upside down

You didn't know any of this? And you call yourself a bigfoot enthusiast... pfffttt...

RayG

 

[AttorneyTom]

It truly takes a village .. of bigfoots...

Hey, ABP Great Pics !

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

ABP - I noticed right off the cushioning of the tires compared to the spartan seats in the cab. Nice!

The tires and rigging with them were six thousand dollars. The seats were home-made. Maybe twenty bucks of stuff. But your life doesn't depend on the seats. You can run the air pressure down to 4 psi in those, and the big rocks just get absorbed as you roll over them. You can come in on the water and roll up onto a gravel bar if it is too short to land, and do the reverse taking off.

There are no inaccessible areas.

The attached photo? That's Appalachian wilderness in PA. It's loaded with bears, and so lush and rugged that it supports healthy breeding populations of Mourning Warbler, Swainson's Thrush, and Winter Wren. It's muy squatchy. It's also accessible enough that some dude can take his sweetheart down a secluded trail - in her skirt and heels - and they can make mad, passionate monkey-love in the wilderness, but lose her pantyhose on the way back to the car.*

*Of course there are other potential explanations but I prefer to imagine the one I described.

I forgot to mention - my brother and I found a pair of panties down in the Pine Creek Gorge too. Must be something in the water?

I readily agree there are some beautiful areas in the lower '48 and even wilderness. But the people pushing the idea about "inaccessible" - no.

awesome is tired and overused. But this is awesome.

Thanks parn. Beautiful, but harsh. Mother nature is a hanging judge.

 

[Jodie]

Jodie,
apparently you don't know what an ad hom is either. obtw, if you don't like our brand of questioning, we'll just put our brains on "dumb" for as long as you like write you a pass to show to the hall monitor.

Parn, I think you are much more bothered by my commentary than I am by yours. How many times have I said that you are a true artist when it comes to the sarcastic comeback? I might like the content but the delivery is always stellar.

 

[Jodie]

But in the bigfoot shows I have seen on discovery channel, the bigfoot has been seen wandering near highways and encroaching on people's backyards and stuff. I find it very hard to believe the complete absence of any bonfide physical evidence.

I don't put much hope in plastered footprints and things that can be manmade. A dead body or fossil evidence would be helpful.

I know, it makes you wonder about it. If they are so heavy why do they not leave prints all the time? Not to mention mashed grass, broken twigs, and such that anything that big is going to leave behind no matter how smoothly they glide through the vegetation. Most of the suburban reports I've read say they don't find anything. I don't get it.

 

[Jodie]

I reread your posts and I find this statement to be false.

Parn, I know I said it, did you really go back through everything I posted and count ad homs? Did you count yours? My favorite was the Pope comment, by the way LOLOL

 

[Jodie]

You didn't know any of this? And you call yourself a bigfoot enthusiast... pfffttt...

RayG

Me or the poster Ray? I don't know exactly what I call myself in regards to bigfoot, but I don't put much stock in the blue print in the post you are commenting on.

 

[Jodie]

Bush, those pics are great. It would be hard to miss anything in that landscape. I used to fly with my Dad on a regular basis and I never saw bigfoot either.

So you dressed to impress? It wasn't necessary, the plane and background were enough.

I know I have been a few miles off the AT in NC and it didn't look like anything or anyone had been there in a while except some kind of beetle infestation that got the fir trees. Remote is relative, and to the average person, if it involves scaling rock walls to get there, that area won't have many visitors if they even realize it's there.

I could say the same thing about Georgia. When I lived there, I had a fishing spot I went to called Slickrock, when I was there , I was alone, that was the attraction. There are other branches and creeks like that the deeper you go in that aren't named, but nothing is more than 50 miles away from anything.

Most adults can't walk five miles on a paved road without thinking they are going to die in the process, especially in the heat. If you fall and break a leg or sprain an ankle while out, you are on your own whether it's 5 miles or 50 miles away from a road down here.

I still say there is more land than can be humanly monitored so using that as a reason to say something, whether it's bigfoot or any other type of undiscovered animal, couldn't exist just isn't reasonable. You can't be everywhere at once all the time. One third of the United States is forested, and that doesn't include areas surrounding cities. Only 67,840 acres of the area in the US is urban, the rest is range and agricultural lands. Other than the urban areas, no one is out in these areas 24/7 to observe what passes through unless they put up game cams. If bigfoot exists he is obviously allergic to them.

 

[LTC8K6]

Why do they always look fuzzy in photographs?

That's what they actually look like.

 

[RayG]

Me or the poster Ray? I don't know exactly what I call myself in regards to bigfoot, but I don't put much stock in the blue print in the post you are commenting on.

I was replying to LTC who should know those things by now. Gorsh.

Ummm.... And I was the one that penned the blue replies... just trying to help out my fellow bf enthusiasts.

See, no matter what real-life scenario the skeptic presents, there's always some made up excuse to counter it.

RayG

 

[Jodie]

So I noticed, it gets old. I once asked how the skunk ape dealt with the python invasion in the everglades. I was told they rip 'em apart. One of many pebbles rolling down the slippery slope of disillusionment over the last year.

 

[River]

So I noticed, it gets old. I once asked how the skunk ape dealt with the python invasion in the everglades. I was told they rip 'em apart. One of many pebbles rolling down the slippery slope of disillusionment over the last year.

Jodie: I've posted this image a few times over the years but it best describes the scenario. Replace the word religion with footer.

 

[Jodie]

Well, you aren't wrong on that, I call it cybersectarianism.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I could say the same thing about Georgia. When I lived there, I had a fishing spot I went to called Slickrock, when I was there , I was alone, that was the attraction. There are other branches and creeks like that the deeper you go in that aren't named, but nothing is more than 50 miles away from anything.

Jodie, there isn't any spot in the entire lower '48 that is 50 miles from anything. The largest national forest in Georgia is the Chattahoochee-Oconee. Here is the map of the largest portion with the most "wilderness":

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fsm9_028893.pdf

From that map, the most remote places I can find in these wilderness areas of Georgia is about two miles from the closest road. Two miles, not fifty. Your thinking is off by an incredible scale.

You are operating on the fallacy of personal incredulity, based on thinking that is off by giant orders of magnitude. Instead of looking at the data you take these "factoids" and invent a wilderness in your mind that does not exist.

There are 1,546 miles of roads in that forest. 801 miles of maintained trails. 1,074 developed sites including campsites, picnic areas, swimming facilities, etc:

http://www.campingchattahoochee.com/2005-fact-sheet.pdf

Visitorship is in the millions annually. I had a hard time getting specific estimates for Chattahoochie alone, but it is over 30 million for that Forest Service region. That's why this is nonsense:

I still say there is more land than can be humanly monitored so using that as a reason to say something, whether it's bigfoot or any other type of undiscovered animal, couldn't exist just isn't reasonable. You can't be everywhere at once all the time. One third of the United States is forested, and that doesn't include areas surrounding cities. Only 67,840 acres of the area in the US is urban, the rest is range and agricultural lands. Other than the urban areas, no one is out in these areas 24/7 to observe what passes through unless they put up game cams. If bigfoot exists he is obviously allergic to them.

This is just rubbish. You are pretending that nobody uses land if it has no house on it. You have no idea about the level of visitation. There are 6.7 million visitors a year to designated wilderness areas in the lower '48, and you are pretending it is zero:

http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/nvum/nvum_national_summary_fy2009.pdf

Let's apply your logic to Central Park, New York City. Wow - it's almost a thousand acres. A sasquatch could hide in a thousand acres easy. Except for the fact that there are 25 million visitors a year.

 

[captain koolaid]

...You can't be everywhere at once all the time...

You can't. But, Bigfoot can. He can even be in your dreams if you talk smack about him.

 

[Jodie]

You are operating on the fallacy of personal incredulity, based on thinking that is off by giant orders of magnitude. Instead of looking at the data you take these "factoids" and invent a wilderness in your mind that does not exist.

There are 1,546 miles of roads in that forest. 801 miles of maintained trails. 1,074 developed sites including campsites, picnic areas, swimming facilities, etc:

http://www.campingchattahoochee.com/2005-fact-sheet.pdf

Visitorship is in the millions annually. I had a hard time getting specific estimates for Chattahoochie alone, but it is over 30 million for that Forest Service region. That's why this is nonsense:



This is just rubbish. You are pretending that nobody uses land if it has no house on it. You have no idea about the level of visitation. There are 6.7 million visitors a year to designated wilderness areas in the lower '48, and you are pretending it is zero:

http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/nvum/nvum_national_summary_fy2009.pdf

Let's apply your logic to Central Park, New York City. Wow - it's almost a thousand acres. A sasquatch could hide in a thousand acres easy. Except for the fact that there are 25 million visitors a year.

So your point is that even if it isn't the same person there is always someone present in these areas to witness whatever might be there? I can see that. Have you ever been down here? If not, you were nice enough to provide a pic of your area, i'ld be happy to get you one of mine.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

So your point is that even if it isn't the same person there is always someone present in these areas to witness whatever might be there? I can see that.

Progress then. Some extremely high proportion of those millions of visitors annually also have cameras, eager to snap photos of wildlife. If there are 6.7 million visitors a year, then in the last 50 years it is hundreds of millions that have visited designated wilderness areas with cameras since the PGF was filmed - and not one picture of a bigfoot.

For non-wilderness areas, it is in the high billions. This is in contrast to the 'footers always pretending there are vast areas of the U.S. that nobody ever sees.

The most important people who do though are the professional wildlife enumerators working for fish and game departments in every state. Do you know how they count the bears, sheep, deer, caribou, and etc.?

Have you ever been down here? If not, you were nice enough to provide a pic of your area, i'ld be happy to get you one of mine.

Sure. Not sure where "here" is, but I think you mentioned the Carolinas at present. I did interview for a job at Appalachian State University, and they took me around to what they considered remote. It was beautiful.