Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[beachnut]

Also, another good thing about The Sphere is that it gives yet another measure of how tall the pile was at Ground Zero after the attacks. The Sphere is 25 feet tall. Compare it to the pile of damage in the surrounding area.

Math. The pile is more than 2 times the height of 25 feet. We have two towers, 95 percent air, now laying on the ground and in the BASEMENT of WTC area. Math, it is a grade school skill; learn to use it. With math you can figure out the pile spread over 19 acres, from the two acre tower foot-print would be as seen based on the energy released. Physics required. E=mgh

You are not using science.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

People have supervisors, ya know?

What for? It's not an evil call centre, it's a terrorist attack. Why does the henchman who presses the button have to have a supervisor who then murders him? Why not have the supervisor press the button? Why not just have his boss's boss's boss press the button and not have all the layers of evil middle management in between? They would only be a potential security leak, so don't hire them in the first place.

 

[Dash80]

It's just ONE push on a button. Sjeez... how much supervision does that need?

These perps don't seem very bright do they?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hearsay evidence, or evidence that I cannot independently verify, does not make it into my theory proper.

But completely imaginary technology does.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

These perps don't seem very bright do they?

Ridiculous to imagine dumb henchmen could be relied on to press buttons. I heard their instructor said they were terrible button pushers.

 

[JohnG]

Unfortunately, the "Activate Death Ray" button was right next to the "Order Pizza" button. The perps really didn't want to destroy the towers...they just wanted a large pepperoni with extra cheese. Oooopsie...

I said "lunch", not "launch"!!!

 

[pgimeno]

Hearsay evidence, or evidence that I cannot independently verify, does not make it into my theory proper. I can consider it, but there is a strict wall that I put up. Nothing that isn't independently verifiable makes the grade.

Do you mean you can't verify that the commission said it was terrorists or that NTSB released radar data? You certainly can verify that they said so. That's at least two more organisms into the "small" conspiracy. And it's only the tip of the iceberg, just a tiny example.

Still, you haven't answered to how did you expect the impact to look like and why they couldn't project the impact if they could project the plane.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

My answer to this question is that I don't know where the weapon itself was located on 9/11, nor do I know where the technicians who operated the machinery were located on 9/11.

I'm somewhat laughing at your suggestion that the weapon had to have a direct line of site on Ground Zero. Why do you add this restriction?

Because you have essentially two choices.

1. The weapon had LoS to GZ.

2. The weapon was either in space or mounted on some form of plane, or the beam was bounced from a satellite.

If the weapon was on Earth and was not reflected from something in space/the air then it would have destroyed absolutely everything in between it and GZ. Don't you get that? Even the theoretically possible laser/heat-ray weapons have to have LoS because they will hit whatever is in front of them first. If they were fired through an object, whether that be a building or a hill or a person, that object will be utterly destroyed. Further to this, the act of destroying that object will remove some of the energy from the weapon's beam, meaning that not only did it "dustify" the WTC, but that it did so on less than full power.

Do you really think you could (hypothetically) point a version of your DEW at a tree behind me, destroy the tree and leave me unharmed? If not, then you must KNOW it needs LoS, if so...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Do you know how to use mathematical modeling as an investigatory technique?

Yep. You just set necessary values to zero until you get a number you can pretend is meaningful to your fantasy.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I can't promise to answer every question to your satisfaction. It's not my purpose in coming to JREF. I want my theories debunked.

This is why I think you are either doing this as a joke or cannot possibly be a real scientist.

When you can't answer really basic questions about the underlying premise of your theory, you as a scientist should know that it's either a stupid idea, or an idea that you need to do some real work on to make it viable. You do not do this, you just assume you're right and think anything you can't answer or account for is irrelevant.

 

[000063]

To answer the OP; No.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Dammit I hate when that happens! I almost took out the Sears Tower trying to order a Chicago style deep-pan. What a butterfingers!

Yeah...we really need to talk to Kitty and get the technicians to move that button. You remember what happened when O'Malley tried to order a calzone?

Boy...was his face red.

(hehe...I hope this gets made into a cartoon)

 

[MarkCorrigan]

That's not how it works. You have to start with the forensic evidence and work from there. My story is incomplete, but it starts with the forensic evidence and it doesn't discount any of it.

Hearsay evidence? My theory doesn't account for it.

Yes, that's exactly how it works.

Check the other thread for my reasoning.

 

[Gamolon]

Look at the base of the statue in the last pic. Nothing falling could have caused the base to curl up like it did. Energy weapons!

How do you know that the "curling" didn't happen during removal or transportation?

 

[plague311]

The Sphere is a different subject than the Deutsche Bank which is a different subject from Judy Wood which is a different subject than the lack of evidence of a wake at 9:03AM.

I've got a lot to say about 9/11 that you won't hear from anyone else. You want to silence me?

Yep, pretty much. Mostly because the things you have to say are different from everyone else because everyone else knows it's complete crap.

You've presented no evidence, theory, or reasonable explanation for any of the digust you've been peddling. So, basically, no one cares.

 

[notheist]

iron oxide exposure who worked the pits at Ground Zero.

Too stupid to know iron oxide is RUST. Rust exposure?

 

[JohnG]

I'm somewhat laughing at your suggestion

Neat! New internet slang!

that the weapon had to have a direct line of site on Ground Zero. Why do you add this restriction?

Are you suggesting that the energy beam was capable of a ballistic trajectory? Or was it bounced off one more more (space based?) reflectors? Or that the energy beam can pass through some objects without harming them in the same way a cup of water can be brought to a boil inside a microwave oven without any damage to the cup?


SLAYS!

 

[thedopefishlives]

Neat! New internet slang!




Are you suggesting that the energy beam was capable of a ballistic trajectory? Or was it bounced off one more more (space based?) reflectors? Or that the energy beam can pass through some objects without harming them in the same way a cup of water can be brought to a boil inside a microwave oven without any damage to the cup?


SLAYS!

In her defense, she's made it known several times (before I put her on ignore, that is) that she, like Judy Wood, believes that it is fully possible for the DEW to fire through the earth to dustify/foamify the WTC. Not that that makes her argument any more coherent; in fact, it just makes things worse.

 

[WTC Dust]

What for? It's not an evil call centre, it's a terrorist attack. Why does the henchman who presses the button have to have a supervisor who then murders him? Why not have the supervisor press the button? Why not just have his boss's boss's boss press the button and not have all the layers of evil middle management in between? They would only be a potential security leak, so don't hire them in the first place.

All this is true. I suspect the actual number of perpetrators involved was a small number, perhaps a dozen or two.

 

[Bell]

All this is true. I suspect the actual number of perpetrators involved was a small number, perhaps a dozen or two.

At least you got *that* right.