Marduk
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thats awful, the way that Jap ship reversed deliberately into the Steve Irwin
won't somebody please think of the children
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thats awful, the way that Jap ship reversed deliberately into the Steve Irwin
won't somebody please think of the children
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Research ships are evil and deserve to be rammed, obviously.
NoahFence
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They don't need to.
This isn't Greenpeace, where you put flowers into your hair and sing songs and hope that telling people not to do something actually works. SSCS has never and will never tell you one thing and do another. They're an action group, not a protest group.
NoahFence
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Howie Felterbush
Bow Tie Daddy
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
The ship is covered in loud RESEARCH markings. We know that research vessels exist and that some of these vessels take an occasional whale for biological study.
Are you contending that specific vessel was not a research vessel? If so, based on what?
NoahFence
Banned
"Occasional whale"?
1,000 is the quota. It's far from an occasional whale. The RESEARCH on the side of the vessel is a joke. It's a pretty poor attempt at implying they're not commercially whaling - which IS against the law, especially in a protected area.
Checkmite
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Howie Felterbush
Bow Tie Daddy
Did you read the article in your link? I mean, really read it?
It doesn't say any laws were broken, only that some eco-tards in Australia want it stopped. That doesn't make it illegal. In fact, it's basically proof of it's legality. Were it illegal, Australia (or a nation with an actual Navy) could have stopped it by now. As it currently stands, Japan can kill X number of whales per year. Period.
AlaskaBushPilot
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alfaniner
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Maybe I'll start watching Whale Wars again this season, just to see that. That crew is more comical than Gilligan.
tomwaits
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I've watched Whale Wars a few times, and it's pretty obvious that all those "research" signs are a load of rubbish. It's just to maintain plausible deniability.
With that said, I personally don't care about whales, and I'm not sure why I should. But when we're talking about Watson and gang "flaunting the law" or whatever, let's remember that it goes both ways. The only difference is that the Japanese whalers are competent at what they do and enjoy the tacit support of their country, whereas Paul Watson and company are highly incompetent.
With that said, I personally don't care about whales, and I'm not sure why I should. But when we're talking about Watson and gang "flaunting the law" or whatever, let's remember that it goes both ways. The only difference is that the Japanese whalers are competent at what they do and enjoy the tacit support of their country, whereas Paul Watson and company are highly incompetent.
NoahFence
Banned
It's wrong.
Its part of the fleet illegally whaling in protected waters. Just because you don't want to see what's really happening, doesn't mean it's not actually happening.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
There is an economic purpose. Have you seen the price of whale meat on some market, or the bubbler price ? You are certainly not the targeted market, but that don't mean the market don't exist.
NoahFence
Banned
That's the "loophole" portion of the "loophole".
They're exploiting a flaw in the law. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Howie Felterbush
Bow Tie Daddy
Yep.
Therefore, legal.
You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Now, should it be made illegal? Probably. But that doesn't make it illegal right now.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
Using A loophole *IS* to on the legal side.
But rather than admit it , and admit the vigilant were in the wrong (since they were ramming people doing LEGAL stuff) , you still pretend the shepherd ******** were in the right.
Until the law changed then vigilantism should be rightfully put in prison. You may even call that civil protest if you wish, but civil protest imply you accept what you are doing is ILLEGAL, and you get to be put in prison.
I am glad the guy is headed to a place where he can't put other in danger.
NoahFence
Banned
It means that they only people who CAN do something about it are groups like Sea Shepherd. That's what it means. And since they're they only ones who seem to want to enforce the ban on commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean, they're the ones who get my support.
As far as I'm concerned the Japanese whalers can get all their ships sunk. The day the Nissan Maru slips beneath the waves will be a banner day indeed.