The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[Resume]

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

Do you think Jeane Dixon actually correctly predicted anything? If you do, that could be part of the problem.

 

[Akhenaten]

We are not asking you to repeat those evasive posts.

I don't know what's the more ridiculous as far as the Lost Posts of the 40-pages-ago Period are concerned. Is it that he keeps insisting that people go back and seek enlightenment by reading them and simultaneously whining that he can't find them himself or is it that they were all useless dreck in the first place, supportive of none of his outrageously uninformed claims?

I guess history will decide, although I also guess that history itself is destined to be lost in the timeless and forgotten mists of 40 Pages Ago.

Alas!

Tyre is still there so the prophecy did not pan out, but you will never admit that.

Out of all the ridiculous claims that DOC has ever made, this one is a stand-out for me and I suppose that's why I'm being so tenacious about it.

His entire 'thesis' rests on maintaining either a refusal to acknowledge the existence of a city of 100,000+ inhabitants or an insistance that the complete and utter destruction foretold by Ezekiel actually meant 'just a little bit utterly destroyed". For a while. Maybe.

Please give me a fulfilled bible prophecy.

Does this thread itself count?

Jeremiah 14:14

Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.​

Seems to be unfolding before our very eyes, that one.

 

[kerikiwi]

If the Jews didn't think these prophecies were fulfilled you have to wonder why they kept going through the trouble of painstakingly copying (or verbalizing) the Old Testament by hand over hundreds and hundreds of years. You would think they would say to themselves, hey this never came true, so why spend the time, money, and energy to copy an unfulfilled prophecy or at least why don't we change a few words to make make Tyre, Babylon, Egypt, be totally undebateable. The fact that they didn't seem to change them over hundreds of years shows they didn't have much problem with them. Also, Jesus himself quoted Isaiah several times, so he didn't seem to have much problem with him either.

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

So because some people keep repeating themselves, the prophecies must have been fulfilled.

 

[Akhenaten]

If the Jews didn't think these prophecies were fulfilled you have to wonder why they kept going through the trouble of painstakingly copying (or verbalizing) the Old Testament by hand over hundreds and hundreds of years.

Because that's exactly what religion is.

Do you need to be reminded every five minutes that people believing in stuff is in no way evidence that the things which they believe, no matter how long or how faithfully they hold those beliefs?

You would think they would say to themselves, hey this never came true, so why spend the time, money, and energy to copy an unfulfilled prophecy or at least why don't we change a few words to make make Tyre, Babylon, Egypt, be totally undebateable.

Throughout history people have been trying to do just that, in exactly the same way that you are still trying to do it yourself.

Trouble is you keep getting busted because changing details in new versions of the story doesn't make the replaced details magically disappear from the old versions, leaving us eebil skeptics with a rich source of aha! moments.

The fact that they didn't seem to change them over hundreds of years shows they didn't have much problem with them.

They had a vested interest in maintaining them. Do you even understand what religion is, DOC? It certainly doesn't seem so.

Also, Jesus himself quoted Isaiah several times, so he didn't seem to have much problem with him either.

You have no idea what the alleged Jesus said about anything.

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

I don't have the faintest idea what this means. Have you ever heard of a place called The Rest of the World, DOC? If you're ever kept awake at night by the sound of distant laughter, that's where it's coming from.

 

[Akhenaten]

Evidence of Nebuchadnezzar in Egypt? ​

Already been given, read the thread.

If I recall correctly your supposed "evidence" was a link to a Wikipedia article and then you basically extrapolated on a sentence within that article to claim that Nebuchadnezzar laid waste to Egypt as far south as Thebes.

You do indeed recall correctly, however, I'm unable to provide a link because I can't remember how to do searches.

What I can do, though, is provide a quote about Tyre from the same article:

After the destruction of Jerusalem, Nebuchadnezzar engaged in a thirteen year siege of Tyre (585–572 BC), which ended in a compromise, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority.

Source​

I have no explantion for the article not mentioning that "ending in a compromise" means the same as "I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more".

Poetic licence?

 

[joobz]

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

Well that's a new argument.
You convinced me. Jeane Dixon is as reliable as biblical prophecy.

 

[Agatha]

If the Jews didn't think these prophecies were fulfilled you have to wonder why they kept going through the trouble of painstakingly copying (or verbalizing) the Old Testament by hand over hundreds and hundreds of years. You would think they would say to themselves, hey this never came true, so why spend the time, money, and energy to copy an unfulfilled prophecy or at least why don't we change a few words to make make Tyre, Babylon, Egypt, be totally undebateable. The fact that they didn't seem to change them over hundreds of years shows they didn't have much problem with them.

Other than that teensy and unimportant point of them being absolute bunkum from start to finish, of course. The fact is that Tyre was not destroyed and exists to this day.

Some people who are religious accept reality when they are faced with it, even though it means that they have to accept that their holy book gets stuff wrong. Others prefer to go through life with blinkers on, and when reality conflicts with the Bible, they go through some kind of mad mental gymnastics and tell themselves that reality is wrong. This is what we in the real world call "delusional".

Face it, DOC, the continued existence of Tyre is not a matter of opinion but of fact. If you cannot see Akhenaten's photograph, or look at Google earth, or a freakin' atlas, then we are not responsible for your wilful refusal to educate yourself in reality.

People copied the OT because before we had tools like easy travel, Google earth and accurate atlases, the prophecy of Tyre could be said to be fulfilled and nobody (unless they happened to be in Tyre) could say "hold on! I've been to Tyre and it's a thriving resort, not a bare rock". They copied it because they knew no better, and because religion is a tool of control and subjugation. In the 21st century, we can see that the Tyre prophecy is just one in a long line of failures of your holy book of fairy tales.

Also, Jesus himself quoted Isaiah several times, so he didn't seem to have much problem with him either.

And your evidence for the existence of this Jesus fella, and for what he said and thought would be...?

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

Never heard of the woman, so I turned to wiki. I have no idea what relevance a failed psychic who got lucky once out of many hundreds of times has to Biblical prophecy. Far from her fans copying her words for hundreds of years, her one correct prediction, which was actually meant for Nixon anyway, was made in 1956. That is 56 years ago, not "hundreds".

John Allen Paulos, a mathematician at Temple University, coined the term "the Jeane Dixon effect," which refers to a tendency to promote a few correct predictions while ignoring a larger number of incorrect predictions. Many of Dixon's predictions proved false, such as her claims that a dispute over the offshore Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu would trigger the start of World War III in 1958, that Walter Reuther, an American labor union leader, would run for President of the United States in the 196 4 presidential election, that the second child of Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and his young wife Margaret would be a girl (it was a boy), and that the Russians would be the first to put men on the moon.

Sounds a bit like Biblical prophecy; mostly wrong.

DOC, only 4.5% or thereabouts of the world's population live in the USA. Please remember that when you talk of people who might be notorious (rather than famous) in your tiny corner of the world, and have the courtesy to link to wiki or similar when posting on an international forum.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You would think they would say to themselves, hey this never came true, so why spend the time, money, and energy to copy an unfulfilled prophecy or at least why don't we change a few words to make make Tyre, Babylon, Egypt, be totally undebateable.

DOC, is the Tyre prophecy a fulfilled prophecy? YES or NO?

 

[Mudcat]

Well that's a new argument.
You convinced me. Jeane Dixon is as reliable as biblical prophecy.

I second that.

 

[Rincewind]

Of course, the reference to "nets" could refer to net curtains...

 

[pakeha]

If the Jews didn't think these prophecies were fulfilled you have to wonder why they kept going through the trouble of painstakingly copying (or verbalizing) the Old Testament by hand over hundreds and hundreds of years....
If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

Why, DOC?
Why bring up Jeanne Dixon in this thread?

Why not address the fact that Tyre still exists?

 

[Akhenaten]

It is equally logical to assume that someone making up a story about the Norse gods would never say that they failed to recognize a frost giant when one came to Asgard to offer his building services in exchange for the sun and the moon and Freyja as a bride. Frost giants are generally recognizable by their huge size. And yet, the Prose Edda says the gods didn't recognize him. This embarrassing element makes the story more likely to be true, and thus it is logical to assume that the prophecies concerning Ragnarok aren't made up but true.

Fortunately for us all the prophecy of Tomb Raider: Underworld tells us that the onset of Ragnarok will be averted by the courageous Lara Croft in a final, Earth-shaking (not stiirred) battle with the Atlantean Sorceress, Jacqueline Natla.

 

[Akhenaten]

''Lo, and it will come to pass that the resurrected Lord will appear in the Earthly form of a gardening Adonis from Baywatch.''

Of course! From the Wisdom of Hasselhoff.

One of the shorter books, if I recall correctly.

 

[zooterkin]

Of course! From the Wisdom of Hasselhoff.

One of the shorter books, if I recall correctly.

Very popular in Germany, though.

 

[dafydd]

Where are we now?

Still waiting for Doc to provide some evidence of a fulfilled bible prophecy but all we have had are the usual prevarications.

 

[dafydd]

If the Jews didn't think these prophecies were fulfilled you have to wonder why they kept going through the trouble of painstakingly copying (or verbalizing) the Old Testament by hand over hundreds and hundreds of years. You would think they would say to themselves, hey this never came true, so why spend the time, money, and energy to copy an unfulfilled prophecy or at least why don't we change a few words to make make Tyre, Babylon, Egypt, be totally undebateable. The fact that they didn't seem to change them over hundreds of years shows they didn't have much problem with them. Also, Jesus himself quoted Isaiah several times, so he didn't seem to have much problem with him either.

If Jeane Dixon predicted John Kennedy would serve 2 terms and live to be 80, the Jean Dixon fan club wouldn't keep copying and copying that by hand for hundreds of years, and keep showing her great respect.

Off topic. Is the Tyre prophecy a fulfilled prophecy? YES or NO?

 

[Akhenaten]

Very popular in Germany, though.

And we all know who else was pop . . .


Nah. Too easy.

 

[dafydd]

And we all know who else was pop . . .


Nah. Too easy.

I once saw Hasselhoff on a chat show claiming that he was responsible for the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

[Akhenaten]

I once saw Hasselhoff on a chat show claiming that he was responsible for the fall of the Berlin Wall.

That would have been Joshua Hasselhoff, wouldn't it?

"So the people shouted when the Hoff blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."​

Or am I getting mixed up with someone else?

 

[dafydd]

That would have been Joshua Hasselhoff, wouldn't it?

"So the people shouted when the Hoff blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."​

Or am I getting mixed up with someone else?

Off topic, but while we await on Doc to finally get on topic and address the theme of the thread, read this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3465301.stm