Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[Oz1976]

This explanation doesn't satisfy me.

Doesn't matter if it doesn't satisfy you. It satisfies the 95%+ of people who are still based in reality.

 

[Oz1976]

Not flat, but also not a tall pile of broken steel beams, either. I went there soon after the attacks, and could only see a few pieces sticking up above a ten foot fence and also lots of fumes.

I've called you out on this claim more than once and you've yet to provide where you were and on what date. I'm fairly certain this claim is a complete lie. You have yet to prove me wrong.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

This explanation doesn't satisfy me.

Reality isn't concerned with your personal satisfaction.

 

[MIKILLINI]

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[GlennB]

Not flat, but also not a tall pile of broken steel beams, either. I went there soon after the attacks, and could only see a few pieces sticking up above a ten foot fence and also lots of fumes.

 

[Mudcat]

It is disrespectful, and I request that you address me by my name.

Let's review a few facts, shall we?

1. Your family name is Bevins.
2. Your doctorate is completely irrelevant to this thread in general and your claims in particular.
3. You're a female.
4. We don't know your marital status.

Therego you are Ms Blevins.

Deal with it.

 

[alienentity]

Just talk to my father, Beach - he'll chew your ear off about PhD's who specialize in useless twaddle.
A PhD is pretty meaningless if the person holding it is a twit.

That there are a few PhD no-planers is excellent corroboration of this observation. AT least here on this forum they can be exposed in all their fraudulent glory...

 

[ozeco41]

...A PhD is pretty meaningless if the person holding it is a twit....

The PhD is an entry requirement for the halls of academia. Nothing more and often a lot less.

Sure there are some good people who have PhDs but that is not because they have a PhD. It is because they need the entry to the halls of academia. They are good people despite the PhD - independent of it.

And anyone who has to brag about a PhD does it because they have nothing else to brag about.

THEN recall the old definition of PhD:

"You learn more and more about less and less until you know all there is to know about nothing at all."

 

[WTC Dust]

There were passengers on those planes Tracy. How convenient of you to forget about them...That says a lot about you.

The forensic evidence doesn't point to a plane crash mechanism for destruction of the WTC. Additionally, and separately, there is evidence that a plane crash did not take place.

People died on 9/11, but people are suffering TODAY from the effects of 9/11. As sad as these deaths were, I can't do anything about it. But I might be able to help the survivors get a better diagnosis and treatment.

Today, they are still being treated for asbestosis, when what they are suffering from is siderosis (inhalation of iron oxide). It matters.

 

[WTC Dust]

Evidence falls into two categories: 1. Independently verifiable evidence and 2. all else.

I really only focus on the first type. There are thousands of stories out there about 9/11, and some of them might be true, but I don't pay attention to them if I cannot independently verify them.

So how do you account for the plane parts that were photographed and catalogued? How do you account for the people that witnessed aircraft parts on the ground?

Are you going to dismiss that evidence with a wave of the hand and magic it away?

Nonsense reply in 1..2..3.......

Oh and perhaps you'd like to explain where the people on those flights went. Perhaps you'd like to do that face to face with some of the people that lost their daughters, sons, fathers and mothers that day. I suspect you won't but a serious scientist such as yourself would surely look at the evidence and interview the surviving members of the deceased, wouldn't you? How many families have you contacted Dusty?

 

[MIKILLINI]

The forensic evidence doesn't point to a plane crash mechanism for destruction of the WTC. Additionally, and separately, there is evidence that a plane crash did not take place.

People died on 9/11, but people are suffering TODAY from the effects of 9/11. As sad as these deaths were, I can't do anything about it. But I might be able to help the survivors get a better diagnosis and treatment.

Today, they are still being treated for asbestosis, when what they are suffering from is siderosis (inhalation of iron oxide). It matters.

Wrong. Forensic evidence identified the passengers of each plane, UA 175 & AA 11 amongst the rubble.
Witnesses also had seen the planes crash along with photographs of plane parts. There is also video; Oh yeah, planes did crash into the buildings and the evidence is there for you to ignore.

 

[WTC Dust]

Did you personally participate in this DNA study, or are you believing reports? And if so, why?

Wrong. Forensic evidence identified the passengers of each plane, UA 175 & AA 11 amongst the rubble.
Witnesses also had seen the planes crash along with photographs of plane parts. There is also video; Oh yeah, planes did crash into the buildings and the evidence is there for you to ignore.

 

[grandmastershek]

As is always, the photographic evidence demonstrates Dustie is lying or delusional. I can see why she so vehemently clings to her academic credentials.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The issue was the claim that cars seen to have been toasted on FDR Drive were towed there. That is a debunker claim that has not been supported, other than by reference to one phony photo, crafted and constructed and/or posted for the first time in 2011, I think.

Before that phony photo, the best the debunkers could do was to make the assertion that Dr. Wood had not proven that the FDR Drive toasted cars were not towed there after having been toasted elsewhere, presumably closer to the WTC complex.

So is it your contention that the burnt out cars photographed under FDR drive were destroyed in-situ, by some unknown thing which also destroyed the WTC and cars in its surrounding streets, but did not destroy buildings between the WTC and FDR Drive and did not destroy the steel road bridge which the cars were sheltering underneath?

 

[calebprime]

So is it your contention that the burnt out cars photographed under FDR drive were destroyed in-situ, by some unknown thing which also destroyed the WTC and cars in its surrounding streets, but did not destroy buildings between the WTC and FDR Drive and did not destroy the steel road bridge which the cars were sheltering underneath?

Not necessarily unknown. This, to me, suggests that one or several of the major auto manufacturers were in on it. Has Dr. Wood performed a forensic analysis of the makes and models of the vehicles that were destroyed?

 

[X]

Have you ever heard the term "double-standard"?

 

[WTC Dust]

Have you ever heard the term "double-standard"?

Yes.

 

[WTC Dust]

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You see the tall pieces sticking up? I saw those above the fence.

 

[phiwum]

Since planes had nothing to do with the attacks on the Twin Towers, a degree in aeronautics get you doodlysquat when it comes to determining what actually happened.

What a perfectly circular argument.

Part of the reason you think there were no planes is that you think you should see a wake in the photos and you don't.

But unless you know something about planes and the wakes they create, then
(1) You don't really know whether you should see a wake or not and
(2) You can't reliably identify a visible wake in any case.

So, you are being quite silly when you claim that you don't need to understand planes because planes weren't involved. Your whole reason for believing planes weren't involved is based on reasoning that requires understanding planes and their wakes.

 

[GlennB]

You see the tall pieces sticking up? I saw those above the fence.

But the rest of the photo disproves the other part of your claim, yes? There was a tall pile of wrecked building. And that's well into the cleanup phase.