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Does Islam belong in Germany?

ANTPogo said:
The last time someone asked Toontown that in this thread, it didn't go so well...
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Well, you know how it is. The inevitable stacks of strawmen and false choices tend to piss me off.

But this time I answered the strawman-builder's bogus question, and he totally ignored it, bogusly pretending that I had not answered. Thereby demonstrating that my previous response to which you alluded was sufficient unto the day.
 
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Reading comprehension 101, lesson 2:

1. If I don't say something, it means I'm not saying it.

2. If I say something, it means I'm saying it.
 
Toontown said:
But this time I answered the strawman-builder's bogus question, and he totally ignored it.
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Maybe he, like me, was trying to figure out what incorporating Islam into the national culture and identity of a nation has to do with incorporating religion into the government of a nation. Especially since (despite your weird and apparent implication to the contrary) the official separation of religion and government in the US does nothing whatsoever to change the fact that the religion of Christianity is so much a part of our "national culture and identity" that the government itself prints messages about God on its currency and opens every legislative session with a prayer.

Because if you're having as much difficulty distinguishing between "national identity/culture" and "national government" as you are distinguishing between "Islamism" and "Islam", I'd be more than happy to recommend some books about that to you, too.
 
Zombie-Left Politics 101, Lesson 2:

It's not about what I am saying. I really haven't said that much, certainly nothing justifying a major inquisition consuming page after page, not counting the parts moved by the mods.

It's about what the Zombie Leftists want to mock me up as saying, because they are indoctrinated and conditioned to seek out and annoy ideological heretics. Every day. All day long.

The examples herein are manifest and obvious. Those unable to see the examples should drop the class, as they will not do well in it.
 
ANTPogo said:
Maybe he, like me, was trying to figure out what incorporating Islam into the national culture and identity of a nation has to do with incorporating religion into the government of a nation.
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It demonstrates the general principle. Tolerance does not equate to a responsibility to incorporate a false system of beliefs into anything.
 
Toontown

All your recent posts are mainly gibberish and vituperation. Please try to stop raving about zombies and let us know what you are saying about Muslim German citizens and residents. Until you do that, us lefty zombies won't even know what we're disagreeing with, if indeed we are disagreeing with you, which seems quite possible, I must admit.
 
Toontown

All your recent posts are mainly gibberish and vituperation. Please try to stop raving about zombies and let us know what you are saying about Muslim German citizens and residents. Until you do that, us lefty zombies won't even know what we're disagreeing with, if indeed we are disagreeing with you, which seems quite possible, I must admit.
 
It strikes me that toon does not know the difference between Islam and Islamism which is a politcal idealogy not a religion and probably does not want to know as it does not fit their agenda.
 
ANTPogo said:
...the religion of Christianity is so much a part of our "national culture and identity" that the government itself prints messages about God on its currency and opens every legislative session with a prayer.
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Oh, you noticed. It so happens that Christianity is a part of the US "national culture and identity", for better or worse, more or less by default.

But that doesn't mean that Islam must also become a part of the national culture and identity. The country is in no way so obligated.

I guess your massive powers of distinction kinda fumbled that one.
 
Toontown said:
Oh, you noticed. It so happens that Christianity is a part of the US "national culture and identity", for better or worse, more or less by default.

But that doesn't mean that Islam must also become a part of the national culture and identity. The country is in no way so obligated.

I guess your massive powers of distinction kinda fumbled that one.
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I did not know the USA was a theocracy blimey....

The Republic of Gilead is upon us...........
 
Toontown said:
Oh, you noticed. It so happens that Christianity is a part of the US "national culture and identity", for better or worse, more or less by default.
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So if you don't think Germany should incorporate the false belief system of Islam into its national culture and identity, and the US Constitution doesn't prevent the equally-false belief system of Christianity from being incorporated into America's national culture and identity, then your reference to the US Constitution is entirely pointless and completely irrelevant to your ostensible argument.

But that doesn't mean that Islam must also become a part of the national culture and identity. The country is in no way so obligated.
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So what obligated the US to incorporate Christianity, and why should that prevent the incorporation of Islam (or anything else, for that matter)?

I guess your massive powers of distinction kinda fumbled that one.
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Too bad I already used my "you missed the point" image in this thread.
 
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Toontown said:
Why did you go to the bother of quoting my question, only to avoid answering it?
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To expose your lies.
Toontown said:
Question-answering doesn't seem to be among my inquisitors' strong points. Just as well. Shortens the 'conversation'.
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Researching doesn't seem to be among your strong points.

Toontown said:
From the online dictionary:

2. Islamism - the monotheistic religious system of Muslims founded in Arabia in the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as laid down in the Koran; "Islam is a complete way:rolleyes: of life, not a Sunday religion"; "the term Muhammadanism is offensive to Muslims who believe that Allah, not Muhammad, founded their religion"
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Which "online dictionary"? You didn't provide a link. You pulled this "definition" out of your posterior. You say you spent thousands of dollars on computers and internet connection, why don't you use it?

Toontown said:
ddt seems to be of the convenient opinion that Turkish Muslims are not generally considered to be followers of The Prophet's actual teachings, thus are not considered "Islamists".
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You might want to learn the difference between "Islamist" and "Islamic".
 
Toontown said:
There is a distinct difference between civilized tolerance of a belief system and incorporating the belief system into the national identity and culture. Not the same at all. No country is obligated to incorporate false belief systems, and it would be wrong for any civilized country to do so. The US constitution, for example, specifically forbids the government incorporating a religious belief system.
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Pray tell me, which German government agency prescribes what the "national identity and culture" is? The way you write it you seem to suggest that is prescribed. Nothing is further from the truth, it just happens, as "national identity and culture" is not a static thing but evolves, and actually different people may have a different view on it.
 
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