Just because some CAN be done, doesn't prove it WAS. Any proof that these supposed "behind-the-scenes deals" were made? Any at all?
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Just because some CAN be done, doesn't prove it WAS. Any proof that these supposed "behind-the-scenes deals" were made? Any at all?
abaddon
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I am on the fence on this.
His next response will be interesting.
If he blurps the usual link blarps, then that will be evidence in favour of your hypothesis.
If not, that will be evidence of an upgrade, or an actual person. But, I still wonder where I can collect my paycheck that Fatfreddy88 claims I am in receipt of.
Fatfreddy88 has now claimed that anyone disagreeing with him is on the payroll.
Oh, and every nation in the world also is on the payroll, or coerced.
As an earlier poster asked, "What would be the point of a hoax, if all this were true?" (paraphrased)
The answer to that will be interesting.
I've mentioned it before on at least one other forum. He has yet to respond. Maybe because I'm not Jay?
abaddon
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Or, perhaps, he has no answer.
I would like to see any evidence that I, or anyone else posting here is actually on the "payroll".
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Given all the hours I've put in staring at Apollo images I'm pretty annoyed that I'm not.
abaddon
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I am sure FF88 knows where you should apply. Just ask him. LOL
Wait.
Suppose, just for a minute, that I firmly believe that Apollo was real (I do - in fact, I know it was real). What are you saying about me?
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I wonder when NASA recruited me as a sleeper agent. Presuming it was before the landings, I must have been a toddler. I guess that would explain why I don't remember it. It was pretty smart of them to anticipate the rise of the www decades ahead (Microsoft couldn't see it coming 25 years later when it was already here) and to plant hundreds of us around the world just to be ready to disagree with FatFreddy88.
If they had the budget and the competence to do all of that and to build a massive rocket (because, as Mitchell & Webb gleefully point out, they still had to build the massive rocket) I can't understand why they didn't just fly some guys to the moon. It would have been much quicker and cheaper.
According to my Mother I watched Apolo 11 landing as I was only a year old in 1969 I do not recall it and was probably more fixated on milk at the time.
abaddon
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According to FF88, you are an ebil gubmint shill reading from some script, go figure.
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I can answer that right here and now: NEVER.
Basically because he is just parroting what those links say, but has never internalized the knowledge from them.
That means he never has reconciled the information inside his head so as to have a long think about it. Therefore he will always fail to see the fallacies therein.
One, you don't speak for me, nor will you ever. I believe the landings happened as documented.
Has it ever occurred to you that there is a reason that every single geologist, aerospace engineer and astrophysicist on the planet disagrees with your claims?
Jarrah White has never had any credibility and most likely never will. It's actually painful for me to read how he twists scientific data as if it actually backs his pre-determined conclusions..... all while playing the victim.
White has a history of abusive behavior and a simple google search will lead you to his some of his "foul mouthed rants."
And if you are going to call me & other people liars, you had better back up your accusations with concrete evidence rather than your speculative opinions. Either prove I am liar or retract your claim.
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JayUtah
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I only have a layman's understanding of circular logic, so Freddy's method of reasoning simply goes right over my head.
But after having read a few more of his posts, I've concluded that the poor boy most likely needs a check up from the neck up.
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FatFreddy88's use of loyalty tests - either you agree with me or you are an enemy and a liar - is staggeringly hypocritical, since this is exactly the sort of behavior indulged in by the repressive regimes he decries - a way for those in power to demonize and devalue the opposition. For shame; I refuse to indulge his use of the tools of repression.
Now, for some unfinished busines:
Post 8374, rocky? Please read the entire post carefully, and think about it before answering. Take your time; I would rather have a delayed thoughtful answer than a quick canned one. In particular, as I am aware of all the references you have posted so many times here, I would greatly appreciate an original answer consisting of your thoughts without any links to your canned earlier responses. Are you able to do that?
Now, for some unfinished busines:
Post 8374, rocky? Please read the entire post carefully, and think about it before answering. Take your time; I would rather have a delayed thoughtful answer than a quick canned one. In particular, as I am aware of all the references you have posted so many times here, I would greatly appreciate an original answer consisting of your thoughts without any links to your canned earlier responses. Are you able to do that?
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While we're waiting for Freddy to see what Jarrah has to say on the subject, it's important that those of us who know Apollo happened don't just sit back and let the deranged and the delusional dominate the debate.
Just as landing deniers can go over the evidence with a fine toothed comb to find imaginary holes, there is still ample room for Apollo material to be examined in new ways that support them.
With that in mind, please find below a link to the latest instalment of Apollo Moon, which now goes up to Apollo 15. To recap, it's my personal mission to plot the location of all Apollo lunar orbital images. It hasn't been possible to place every image, but I've got the vast majority done.
Included in each of the landing missions is a plot of the final approach of the lunar modules to their respective resting places. Apollo 15 was particularly annoying, because it took me a long time to realise that the videos that are out there are actually flipped horizontally (so that left becomes right).
I think they're useful because they demonstrate that they are not taken by remote control. You can almost follow the astronaut's eyes around - hoax believers will insist that remote controlling the LRV cameras as ascent modules take off is impossible, so clearly landmark tracking of the kind evident in the images must also be impossible
You can also observe how the terminators change position over the course of a mission, and observe the different directions of shadows in the opposing terminators. The details of the smallest craters also demonstrates that Apollo images of the surface are not cobbled together from those taken by previous unmanned probes.
I particularly like those pictures featuring the CSM taken from LMs.
Have fun exploring them
http://depositfiles.com/files/bu87ti0gy
Just as landing deniers can go over the evidence with a fine toothed comb to find imaginary holes, there is still ample room for Apollo material to be examined in new ways that support them.
With that in mind, please find below a link to the latest instalment of Apollo Moon, which now goes up to Apollo 15. To recap, it's my personal mission to plot the location of all Apollo lunar orbital images. It hasn't been possible to place every image, but I've got the vast majority done.
Included in each of the landing missions is a plot of the final approach of the lunar modules to their respective resting places. Apollo 15 was particularly annoying, because it took me a long time to realise that the videos that are out there are actually flipped horizontally (so that left becomes right).
I think they're useful because they demonstrate that they are not taken by remote control. You can almost follow the astronaut's eyes around - hoax believers will insist that remote controlling the LRV cameras as ascent modules take off is impossible, so clearly landmark tracking of the kind evident in the images must also be impossible
You can also observe how the terminators change position over the course of a mission, and observe the different directions of shadows in the opposing terminators. The details of the smallest craters also demonstrates that Apollo images of the surface are not cobbled together from those taken by previous unmanned probes.
I particularly like those pictures featuring the CSM taken from LMs.
Have fun exploring them
http://depositfiles.com/files/bu87ti0gy
Thanks for the link, threadworm.
It occurs to me that for FatFreddy to be correct, all seven billion people in the world (minus a few hoax believers who I doubt number more than a few hundred, if that) would have to be on the payroll of NASA or other agency. the sheer unworkability of the conspiracy he proposes, and his insistence that everyone here is lying as to their true beliefs just leads me to wonder if he's ever talked these thoughts over with a qualified mental health professional. It really is no way to live, thinking that everyone in the world, even people in other countries and with no connection to governments or aerospace industries, is lying.
It occurs to me that for FatFreddy to be correct, all seven billion people in the world (minus a few hoax believers who I doubt number more than a few hundred, if that) would have to be on the payroll of NASA or other agency. the sheer unworkability of the conspiracy he proposes, and his insistence that everyone here is lying as to their true beliefs just leads me to wonder if he's ever talked these thoughts over with a qualified mental health professional. It really is no way to live, thinking that everyone in the world, even people in other countries and with no connection to governments or aerospace industries, is lying.
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PhantomWolf
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Good grief, I can't believe you are still dealing with FF88.
I gave that up back in the days he was still Rocky and he is still posting the exact same carp as he did back then. Links, links, and more links, followed by "you all know I'm right and it was hoaxed, you just won't admit it." 
JayUtah
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Bad penny, etc.
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