Fully Armed U.S. Troops Patrol Minnesota

[TJM]

It's spreading!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136190

 

[Elizabeth I]

Which city in the USA allows uniformed military to go grocery shopping while armed?

What are you on about? Who said they were armed?

Oh, yeah, and what triforcharity said:

Every single one can. Most of the military doesn't though. Police officers do it daily. Why would it be any different for an MP?

Sure, he's not walking around with an M249 slung over his shoulder...

 

[Nosi]

Or that military helicopters with Arabic Markings!! were opening flying over our cities! http://galvestondailynews.com/story/78531

I was actually involved in this story, I was the FMS manager for the Egyptian Apache program at the time and the gentleman referenced (Monte Caylor) worked for me.

That is worthy a slap over the head with a long ripe fish! (Grumpy Old Men reference) I mean come on, we hear the news daily talk of the war on terror in the Mid East it's no wonder people were reacting like mice on sight of a cat!

 

[catsmate]

As for DIBUA/FIBUA (Defending/Fighting In Built-Up Areas as it used to be called in the British Army, not sure if it still is), when Northern Ireland was Item Number One on the military agenda, a mock-up of Belfast streets and houses was created for squaddies to practice in. IIRC it was housed within the massif of Gibraltar - if any reason was given for this, it escapes me. There is also a picturesque little British countryside town called Imber that the army took over in WW2 for such training, and never gave back. Ex-residents are allowed into it for one day per year (I think) and for the other 364 it's full of aggresive young men in uniform firing blanks and throwing flash-bangs.

The current preferred acronym is MOUT: Military Operations in the Urban Theatre or Urban Terrain.

I preferred the Lanchester

Too expensive and time consuming for the time. Lasted well, the RN still had some in the Falklands.

 

[Bob Klase]

Every single one can. Most of the military doesn't though. Police officers do it daily. Why would it be any different for an MP?

True, cities might not prohibit it. But the military doesn't allow regular troops to go around carrying arms while shopping.

Your MP comparison isn't valid. Much like police officers are only a small part of the civilian population MPs are only a small part of the military population. 'MP' and 'military' are not interchangeable terms.

 

[Bob Klase]

What are you on about? Who said they were armed?

The quote from infowars in the OP said they were armed:

A photo showing fully armed U.S. National Guard troops patrolling....

Perhaps now it's clear why your post (the one I first replied to) has little bearing on the discussion in this thread. Unless you think 'military' and 'armed military' are interchangeable terms.

 

[triforcharity]

They got those here too, got boarded by them on my friends boat once. They just checked to make sure we had enough life jackets, flares, air horn, etc then let us go on our way. The machine gun in the front seemed to be a bit of overkill though... it was an M60 variation IIRC.

Yeah, they won't mess with you much. Just as long as you're operating your boat safely, they won't shoot ya.

I'm not sure why they would leave the gun on the front for routine patrol. That does seem overkill to me, but it might be SOP.

 

[triforcharity]

True, cities might not cannot prohibit it. But the military doesn't allow regular troops to go around carrying arms while shopping.

Fixed that for you. And you're most likely correct. I don't imagine a typical soldier can walk around with his M4 throughout town.

Your MP comparison isn't valid. Much like police officers are only a small part of the civilian population MPs are only a small part of the military population. 'MP' and 'military' are not interchangeable terms.

Wow. Not sure where you went with this, but it's way out in left field.

 

[triforcharity]

The quote from infowars in the OP said they were armed:

They most likely were. However, it's not uncommon in smaller towns with military bases to conduct training outside the walls of the base.

Perhaps now it's clear why your post (the one I first replied to) has little bearing on the discussion in this thread. Unless you think 'military' and 'armed military' are interchangeable terms.

Huh? You're not making any sense. Who claimed that it was.....???

 

[thedopefishlives]

Yeah, they won't mess with you much. Just as long as you're operating your boat safely, they won't shoot ya.

I'm not sure why they would leave the gun on the front for routine patrol. That does seem overkill to me, but it might be SOP.

It's probably SOP, if I had to guess. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Too expensive and time consuming for the time. Lasted well, the RN still had some in the Falklands.

Are you sure? I never saw a Lanchester in all my years service. All th ships I served on had a Small Arms Locker equipped with SLR, Sterling and GPMG.

Marine Detachments had the same weapons until the SA80 started to come in.

 

[Andy_Ross]

They got those here too, got boarded by them on my friends boat once. They just checked to make sure we had enough life jackets, flares, air horn, etc then let us go on our way. The machine gun in the front seemed to be a bit of overkill though... it was an M60 variation IIRC.

Did you tell them to mind their own business? They couldn't have stopped you if you had no flares, jackets etc. Regulations on such only cover commercial craft.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

Did you tell them to mind their own business? They couldn't have stopped you if you had no flares, jackets etc. Regulations on such only cover commercial craft.

Every boat must have one flotation item per passenger. People get fined for this all the time around here. Also, depending on the size of the boat and distance from shore, you need signalling devices, fire extinguishers, etc.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Every boat must have one flotation item per passenger. People get fined for this all the time around here. Also, depending on the size of the boat and distance from shore, you need signalling devices, fire extinguishers, etc.

Must be a USA thing then, no regs for private craft over here. I live on the coast near WHitby and we always get reports in the news of people being rescued from sinking boats with no safety equipment of any kind. Usualy people off fishing for the day, no a flare or float aboard.

 

[Elizabeth I]

The quote from infowars in the OP said they were armed...

Perhaps now it's clear why your post (the one I first replied to) has little bearing on the discussion in this thread. Unless you think 'military' and 'armed military' are interchangeable terms.

I see you are determined to be terrified of shadows so I will leave you to it.

 

[thedopefishlives]

Must be a USA thing then, no regs for private craft over here. I live on the coast near WHitby and we always get reports in the news of people being rescued from sinking boats with no safety equipment of any kind. Usualy people off fishing for the day, no a flare or float aboard.

Yeah, they get kinda uptight about that thing over here. In particular, in my neck of the woods, the county sheriffs all have a water patrol division that enforces regulations on the lakes. Unless you're out on Lake Superior, in which case you get to play with the Coasties.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Yah. The local sheriff's little boat is no match for Superior's waves. The old 44 motor lifeboats on the other hand; those things could go through anything, and keep going even if the seas were heavy enough to roll them over. Most of the ones from the great lakes got auctioned off to the peruvian navy though, and replaced with stuff just like in the pics upthread a bit, which are basically just bigger versions of the zodiac boats the sheriffs use.

 

[thedopefishlives]

Yah. The local sheriff's little boat is no match for Superior's waves. The old 44 motor lifeboats on the other hand; those things could go through anything, and keep going even if the seas were heavy enough to roll them over. Most of the ones from the great lakes got auctioned off to the peruvian navy though, and replaced with stuff just like in the pics upthread a bit, which are basically just bigger versions of the zodiac boats the sheriffs use.

Well, the other part of it being that Superior is also half international waters. The Canadians play pretty nice with the USCG, though.

 

[Bob Klase]

Originally Posted by Bob Klase

Your MP comparison isn't valid. Much like police officers are only a small part of the civilian population MPs are only a small part of the military population. 'MP' and 'military' are not interchangeable terms.

Wow. Not sure where you went with this, but it's way out in left field.

Didn't really go anywhere with it. I made a statement about armed troops, you replied to it with a statement about MPs- the implication was that if MPs could do something then I was wrong to say that military troops (in general) couldn't do the same thing.

 

[Bob Klase]

They most likely were. However, it's not uncommon in smaller towns with military bases to conduct training outside the walls of the base.

Once again, the post I replied to (by Elizabeth I) talked about troops grocery shopping and in restaurants eating. That's not the same thing as training.

Originally Posted by Bob Klase
Perhaps now it's clear why your post (the one I first replied to) has little bearing on the discussion in this thread. Unless you think 'military' and 'armed military' are interchangeable terms.

Huh? You're not making any sense. Who claimed that it was.....???

Elizabeth I did. It was her post I replied to and you quoted my reply above- apparently you misunderstood and thought that reply was directed at you (despite the fact that I quoted Elizabeth's post in my reply).

In this thread (which started by quoting an article about "armed troops") she posted this:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8252556#post8252556

which implies (in the context of the discussion) that "armed" troops go grocery shopping and dining out in her city.