Fully Armed U.S. Troops Patrol Minnesota

Speak for yourself! I'd enjoy grabbing a sandwich and watching military exercises. :)

Hey, if I knew the military was conducting drills in downtown Minneapolis, I'd take the day off early and drive over. Just sayin', where there's a lot more people, there's a lot more chance that someone is going to get their feathers ruffled.
 
You guys keep this up and soon you'll be equipped (small-arms wise)just like the Canadians to the north.

They adopted the MAG-58 early on, while we were still struggling to make the 60 into a servicable weapon system.

Anticipated service life for the MAG - 50K + rounds.

Anticipated service lofe of the M60, 20K rounds M/L

I'll take the MAG.
 
I've read a lot about small arms. One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is the amount of politics, pork-barreling, and nationalism that goes into developing weapons of any kind. Back in the 50's, when the U.S. military took the decision to adopt the new 7.62 NATO round, and began developing the M60, I have often wondered why they didn't simply adopt the German MG 42, and just re-chamber it for the new round, maybe with some minor improvements? I know there was an attempt to chamber it for the .30-06 round, but they botched the specs and the project was dropped.

The MG 42 was arguably the best in it's class at the time. Why did they need to reinvent the wheel?

I've wondered the same thing about the M3 Grease gun sub-machine gun. They already had the Sten available to them from the British. They even adopted the Sten pattern magazine design for it. Again, make a few improvements and go for it.
 
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I've read a lot about small arms. One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is the amount of politics, pork-barreling, and nationalism that goes into developing weapons of any kind. Back in the 50's, when the U.S. military took the decision to adopt the new 7.62 NATO round, and began developing the M60, I have often wondered why they didn't simply adopt the German MG 42, and just re-chamber it for the new round, maybe with some minor improvements? I know there was an attempt to chamber it for the .30-06 round, but they botched the specs and the project was dropped.

The MG 42 was arguably the best in it's class at the time. Why did they need to reinvent the wheel?
They did. During WW2 the US attempted to clone the MG42 as the T24 IN .30-06 (7.62x63mm) but due to bungling on the part of the selected contractor (Saginaw Steering Gear) the project failed. Only two prototypes
had been built when this was discovered, and the whole program was canceled. Similarly the T20, an attempt to modify the Garand to use 20rd BAR magazines with selective-fire capability and a bipod to replace the BAR dragged on until the end of the war and only about a hundred were made.
After WW2 Germany modified the MG42 design to fire 7.62x54mm as the MG3 and it's still in use.

I've wondered the same thing about the M3 Grease gun sub-machine gun. They already had the Sten available to them from the British. They even adopted the Sten pattern magazine design for it. Again, make a few improvements and go for it.
One of the reasons the M3 entered US service was because of delays in the M2 (Hyde-Inland) sub-machine gun programme.
The M3/M3AI was better made than the STEN, less prone to damage and accidental discharge; it was a less hurried design overall though still designed to be disposable.
Both the STEN and M3 had problems with their magazines, the single column feed design was vulnerable to damage to the lips, though the M3 magazine was less prone to spring feed problems.
Frankly the Ordnance should have kept the double column Thompson magazine.
 
Infowars was pimping this drivel years ago when a different president was in the Whitehouse. Apparently the Evil Gubmint is pretty slow at imposing martial rule - what you might call "mili-tardy law".

As for DIBUA/FIBUA (Defending/Fighting In Built-Up Areas as it used to be called in the British Army, not sure if it still is), when Northern Ireland was Item Number One on the military agenda, a mock-up of Belfast streets and houses was created for squaddies to practice in. IIRC it was housed within the massif of Gibraltar - if any reason was given for this, it escapes me. There is also a picturesque little British countryside town called Imber that the army took over in WW2 for such training, and never gave back. Ex-residents are allowed into it for one day per year (I think) and for the other 364 it's full of aggresive young men in uniform firing blanks and throwing flash-bangs.

The GPMG is the M240, from what I can see, and the GPMG is indeed a "tree-fellin', rock-splittin', bad-guy-bustin' piece of kick-ass ordnance", to adopt a trans-Atlantic idiom :D
 
Just imagine how I feel living in "Military City U.S.A" where I see people in uniform every day - often in places like restaurants and the grocery store! :rolleyes:

Which city in the USA allows uniformed military to go grocery shopping while armed?
 
I've read a lot about small arms. One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is the amount of politics, pork-barreling, and nationalism that goes into developing weapons of any kind. Back in the 50's, when the U.S. military took the decision to adopt the new 7.62 NATO round, and began developing the M60, I have often wondered why they didn't simply adopt the German MG 42, and just re-chamber it for the new round, maybe with some minor improvements? I know there was an attempt to chamber it for the .30-06 round, but they botched the specs and the project was dropped.

The MG 42 was arguably the best in it's class at the time. Why did they need to reinvent the wheel?

I've wondered the same thing about the M3 Grease gun sub-machine gun. They already had the Sten available to them from the British. They even adopted the Sten pattern magazine design for it. Again, make a few improvements and go for it.

The 42 has a problem with firing out of battery - I know of more 42's self destructing than any other belt fed MG.

The M60 does have some design elements from the MG42 and the FG42 (feed cover and trigger group) but the German influence stops there.
 
I miss my old SMG (C1, or a Sterling to my British compatriots) for the size, but the C7A2 is better overall weapon.

Sterlings are fantastic weapons. THey were used with the magazine removed and stock folded as the imperial stormtroopers weapons in Star Wars.
 
On SMG's

In general, SMGs are either stop-gap or after thought weapons.

In WWII, the SMG was a real stop-gap, especially for the British and the Soviets. You can turn out (on average) three SMG's for every main battle rifle manufactured.

The M3 "Grease Gun" was a simple sheet-metal pressing welded together to form a "tube" receiver like a STen - the STen actually used a DOM (Drawn over Mandrel) tube for it's receiver.

The problem with retaining the TSMG magazine for the M3 series of SMG was the receiver diameter and the bolt diameter - in order to retain that double stack mag the design would need to be heavier, with a heavier recoil spring to control the heavier bolt.

The double stack-to-single feed mag solved that design problem.

In the later Sterling versions, the mag was changed to a proper double stack design, one of the best out there, on a par with the Beretta (later Uzi) design and the HK versions. Colt borrowed the doublestack mag of the Beretta for their M16/9mm with a modification to use the M16 type magazine release.

Here in the U.S., there are only so many legally registered and transferable SMG's to go around, so you have to go to some lengths to get foreign made examples of WWII and later SMG's - Here's a good example:

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This is a "STenling" built as a suppressed example - a registered STen tube receiver was modified to accept the Sterling fire control parts and the Sterling magazine housing along with the folding stock mount to create a fairly accurate example of the Sterling L34A1.

Very quiet, and 100% reliable.
 
Which city in the USA allows uniformed military to go grocery shopping while armed?

Every single one can. Most of the military doesn't though. Police officers do it daily. Why would it be any different for an MP?

Sure, he's not walking around with an M249 slung over his shoulder...
 
A few soldiers with rifles gets these people worked up? Imagine how they would react to being told their home might be used to house a SAM battery.:eek:

Olympic missiles

Or that military helicopters with Arabic Markings!! were opening flying over our cities! http://galvestondailynews.com/story/78531

I was actually involved in this story, I was the FMS manager for the Egyptian Apache program at the time and the gentleman referenced (Monte Caylor) worked for me.
 
Here locally, we have a USCG station right at the cruise port at Port Canaveral.

I wonder what they would do if they saw this every time a cruise ship went out.....

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Yepo! Cruise ship escorts. Every single time.

Pretty badass gun too. .50 cal IIRC.
They got those here too, got boarded by them on my friends boat once. They just checked to make sure we had enough life jackets, flares, air horn, etc then let us go on our way. The machine gun in the front seemed to be a bit of overkill though... it was an M60 variation IIRC.
 
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Sterlings are fantastic weapons. THey were used with the magazine removed and stock folded as the imperial stormtroopers weapons in Star Wars.


I always liked the Lewis gun after I saw it in ep IV....
 

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