What's wrong with this definition of God: maker of heaven and earth and everything?

[RoboTimbo]

yrreG, you should think about what created your god(s). Are you able to think about that?

 

[catsmate]

You mean you don't want to think, you just want to shout spaghetti or penis.

We tend to leave not thinking and shouting to theists, they have more practice.

Well, there is no way to talk with people who don't want to think but to shout spaghetti or penis all the time when you want to stir up their thinking faculty.

There is just as much evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists as there is that your god exists; in fact the ethos of the FSM is more logical and consistent.

Thinking is more than reasoning, more than logic,

Really..............

it is the totality of the mind finding an answer to question, which question can be a problem in real life how to survive, or a curiosity in regard to the complete and ultimate explanation for existence.

You you want to abdicate reason because it shows your god probably doesn't exist. Pathetic.

For example, you are put in a maze, you have been caught by a wicked evil hunter who delights in observing how you being a human just like himself but unlucky to have been caught and held captive by him, will find your way out of the maze. He tells you that there is a way out, only one, and if you don't find it you will die of hunger, no food and water intake; so you must think and act to find your way out where you will be given food and water -- before you pass out and die from hunger and thirst.

Now, this thread on The Concept of God with Atheists, though now merged with an older one of mine, it is my idea to find out how atheists think but they don't think, they just want to shout spaghetti, penis, guiltless masturbation.

I repeat

And if you do think genuinely think, using your mind, and you have the innate curiosity to occupy your mind with the question about a complete and ultimate explanation for existence, what will you come to as a complete and ultimate explanation for the question of existence?

Perhaps you should start thinking about your god and the lack of evidence that it exists?

 

[slingblade]

By the way, don't forget to think and find the way out of the maze.

I did that. When I emerged from the maze, I discovered god doesn't exist.



Your turn.

 

[Sun Countess]

Thinking is more than reasoning, more than logic, it is the totality of the mind finding an answer to question, which question can be a problem in real life how to survive, or a curiosity in regard to the complete and ultimate explanation for existence.

Knowing how to survive is important. It's what helps keep you alive. What exactly does it accomplish to gaze at your navel and wonder about a magic man up in the sky making the sun go up and down?

For example, you are put in a maze, you have been caught by a wicked evil hunter who delights in observing how you being a human just like himself but unlucky to have been caught and held captive by him, will find your way out of the maze. He tells you that there is a way out, only one, and if you don't find it you will die of hunger, no food and water intake; so you must think and act to find your way out where you will be given food and water -- before you pass out and die from hunger and thirst.

This would be a real problem that would need a real solution. The hunter is real and he is torturing me.

Your god has no such power. He's not real, and he has absolutely no impact on my life or on any aspect of this universe. He's a made-up entity, used to fill in the gaps of human knowledge, or to give power to people who would otherwise possess none.

You say nothing, then you think that you came from nothing, that is not thinking.

Where did your god come from, yrreg? If you say nothing, then you think he came from nothing, that is not thinking. You can't special-plead his way out of existence. If you think he really exists, where did his ultimate existence come from?

 

[yrreg]

You are into the fallacy of ignorance, claiming ignorance is not thinking.

Yrreg, your God does not exist. It's a story, made up by primitive peoples with a limited understanding of the universe and how it came to be.

We also have a limited understanding of the universe and how it came to be, albeit a far greater understanding than people thousands of years ago, but instead of making up a story, we're content to say "we don't know yet, we'll try to find out".

The source of your misunderstanding is revealed by your question above where you ask what atheists have in substitute for God. We've been telling you for years, we don't have anything as a substitute for God.

Until you understand this very basic and vital point, your monologues here (for your posts are not dialogue; you rarely discuss anything but merely restate your argument with increasing rudeness until you get carded) are pointless exercises.

You are into the fallacy of ignorance, claiming ignorance is not thinking.

However, I suggest you read the atheist scientists socalled who have a nice explanation, namely, nothing is the origin of everything, but read more insight-fully, and see how they understand nothing.

You see, your insistence that you don't know the complete and ultimate explanation of existence, is just that, stubbornness to not think; but you forget to mention that you must be humble and not be so presumptuous as to employ your brain to think on for a sensible answer to the question of the complete and ultimate explanation for existence.

You have gone into the fallacy of ignorance, but you have forgotten to accompany it with the fallacy of appeal to your humility, that should win you the atheists' Nobel Prize for ignorance and humility.


I am having or attempting to engage in a thinking-ful dialog with people here, but if they don't want to think instead of shouting penis, etc., then claim that I am into a monologue, what can I do but continue to explain my ideas and hope to engage someone who will really genuinely relevantly think on my ideas, and engage me with their thoughts.

By the way, how do you get out of the maze that I put slingblade in.

You say, I don't know.

[ You mean, I don't think. ]


Shame, you are again into the plea of ignorance but you should say also that you are just a very humble brain.




Yrreg

 

[RoboTimbo]

I don't think.




Yrreg

You don't think about where your god(s) came from? Why don't you think (about that)?

 

[Dinwar]

You say nothing, then you think that you came from nothing, that is not thinking.

Learn physics and evolutionary biology. You're wrong.

But if you really want to insist that nothing is the origin of everything, then think further on how nothing works to become everything like -- not being irrelevant now, the nose in your face.

Did you exist yesterday? It's a serious question--I'm trying to understand your perspective here.

Now, this thread on The Concept of God with Atheists, though now merged with an older one of mine, it is my idea to find out how atheists think but they don't think, they just want to shout spaghetti, penis, guiltless masturbation.

Considering the FSM has every bit as much validity as your Christian god as far as deities go, and your god is obsessed with sex, I'd hardly say it's OUR problem.

And if you do think genuinely think, using your mind, and you have the innate curiosity to occupy your mind with the question about a complete and ultimate explanation for existence, what will you come to as a complete and ultimate explanation for the question of existence?

This is gibberish...

That is what atheist scientists are so hard put up with, they have no intention to think:

You DO realize there are atheist scientists on here, right? For example, me. You just said that I have no intention to think, and pretended to say what I believe (which you got completely wrong, by the way). It's easy to insult people en mass--are you willing to do it face to face?

But read them first then think genuinely about their explanation, and it should dawn upon your conscious mind: how they are into mental but dishonest prestidigitation of facts and concepts and words.

Projection always astounds me. You honestly can't see that this is actually more applicable to your Bible than to science, can you? I always wonder why.

 

[Kid Eager]

Congratulations, Yrreg - you have managed to to combine god, spaghetti and penises in a single post.

I pity you. What sort of bizarre thought processes are needed to combine these words in a single content-free post?

Sure, you must be frustrated that nobody is agreeing with whatever thought it is that you're trying to convey, but let's be honest here: you are producing nothing new - this 32 page thread is testament to that. This is your very own Well Of Failed Arguments.

I await the moment that you come up with something new or logical. Until then, please refer to my previous answers to your previous posts on the same topic within this thread - it will save you and I a lot of time.

 

[yrreg]

Correction: I am or call myself a liberal Christian...

You are always looking for authority to depend on, use your own mind to think.

That's a really strange accusation, coming from a Catholic...

Correction: I am or call myself a liberal Christian, but I have a very complete and extensive Catholic education in the best schools at home and abroad.


How is your nirvana getting on?

You see, Ryokan, that is the big difference between Christianism and Buddhism, Christianism is into rationalism in the most expansive perspectives of existence, but Buddhism is into irrationalism.

Take this irrationalism of Buddhism on the non-self: throw a stone at a Buddhist who is looking at you, he will duck even though he insists that he has no self: but of course he will tell you even his ducking to save his head is a delusion or illusion or hallucination.

But whose delusion illusion or hallucination, pray tell me.


By the way, I don't seem to have seen the inscription at the bottom of your message box indicating that I have saved you from Buddhism, I like that inscription -- or I just imagine that it is no longer there, sorry for the illusion.



Yrreg

 

[RoboTimbo]

throw a stone at a Buddhist who is looking at you, he will duck even though he insists that he has no self: but of course he will tell you even his ducking to save his head is a delusion or illusion or hallucination.



Yrreg

Throw a stone at a Christian who is looking at you, will he turn the other cheek for you to throw another one? But of course he is lying about turning the other cheek.

LOL.

 

[yrreg]

But no atheists are writing against Spiderman.

Originally Posted by yrreg
Think of an entity greater than God in concept in the Christian faith as creator of the universe.

Everything that actually exists is greater than the Christian god. Spiderman wouldn't be defeated by iron chariots. Superman wouldn't get nailed to a cross.

Can you think of anything less powerful than the Christian god? Why didn't people make up a really powerful and intelligent god rather than the stumbling boob they have to apologize for now?

Well, I have a dialog for you, have you come to the insight that you atheists have not one of you even written anything against Spiderman, but your so-claimed scientists and so-claimed deep-thinking philosophers have written and continue to write to explain that God is not needed, nothing gives origin to everything.


Atheists don't think, they just shout penis, spaghetti, and guiltless masturbation, and then rest on their defense of ignorance and yes, humility.



Yrreg

 

[RoboTimbo]

Well, I have a dialog for you,

That will be a change.

have you come to the insight that you atheists have not one of you even written anything against Spiderman,

Spiderman isn't an idiot like the made up Christian god. There isn't really anything bad to be said about him.

but your so-claimed scientists and so-claimed deep-thinking philosophers have written and continue to write to explain that God is not needed, nothing gives origin to everything.

You might want to think about that.

Atheists don't think, they just shout penis, spaghetti, and guiltless masturbation, and then rest on their defense of ignorance and yes, humility.

Penis, spaghetti, guiltless masturbation and yes, humility exist. There is no evidence that any god(s) do. That's why you get so mad about it.

Yrreg

Try thinking (about The Flying Spaghetti Monster).

 

[yrreg]

No, don't shout penis, just contemplate how your nose does not fall off your face.

Well, I don't think you are thinking properly, when you say that the universe needs no creator, unless you insist that the universe is eternal and/or created itself, in which case the universe is God, it created the parts of Itself which are changeable and have a beginning and an ending.

What created god(s)? I'd like for you to actually think about your answer to that. If you choose not to think about it, then I'd rather you didn't answer it with anything foolish.

You are asking the question who created God if God created everything.

That is what you are into, and I have someone with that non-question in this board earlier, I told him to look up infinite regress and do some genuine thinking.

So, I will give you the same instruction.


Now, we are into a dialog, I am reacting to you asking you to enlighten yourself on infinite regress: do I see you getting acquainted with infinite regress and coming back to me, so that we can continue to dialog on God Who is the glue that ties everything securely together in the domain of existence?

Or you will shout back at me: penis, masturbation without guilt, and of course spaghetti.

And I will just ask you to contemplate how your nose does not fall off your face.



Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Easy to say I have not answered questions, tell me which ones.

You received a number of answers which you failed to address. Why is that? You asked the question. Why didn't the answers merit an answer in return?

They went off-script.

Easy to say I have not answered questions, tell me which ones.

But don't shout things like what slingblade did, penis, and also someone else an ex-Christian, guiltless masturbation.



Yrreg

 

[EventHorizon]

Yrreg. I assumed that during the time you were gone you would attempt to study the English language and learn how to understand and use it properly so that you can communicate in a logical and understandable manner. I see I was wrong.

 

[pakeha]

....For example, you are put in a maze, you have been caught by a wicked evil hunter who delights in observing how you being a human just like himself but unlucky to have been caught and held captive by him, will find your way out of the maze. He tells you that there is a way out, only one, and if you don't find it you will die of hunger, no food and water intake; so you must think and act to find your way out where you will be given food and water -- before you pass out and die from hunger and thirst....

Are you saying the Judeo Christian god is like an evil hunter?

 

[Dinwar]

Correction: I am or call myself a liberal Christian, but I have a very complete and extensive Catholic education in the best schools at home and abroad.

Than you should know that the Catholic definition of "god" comes form many, many other sources than those two quotes.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You are asking the question who created God if God created everything.

That is what you are into, and I have someone with that non-question in this board earlier, I told him to look up infinite regress and do some genuine thinking.

You'll need to do some genuine thinking first. Iron age goat herders have been telling you what to think.

So, I will give you the same instruction.

I'd prefer you answer the question, if you can do so logically. So far, you've not used logic.

Now, we are into a dialog, I am reacting to you asking you to enlighten yourself on infinite regress: do I see you getting acquainted with infinite regress and coming back to me, so that we can continue to dialog on God Who is the glue that ties everything securely together in the domain of existence?

But what created your god(s)? You may only answer logically and so far you haven't. Title your post "This post contains logic" if it has any logical arguments so I'll know to read it.

Or you will shout back at me: penis, masturbation without guilt, and of course spaghetti.

The universe is evidence that The Flying Spaghetti Monster created it and was destroyed in making it. Just look at the nose on your face or your penis and think.

And I will just ask you to contemplate how your nose does not fall off your face.

I'll ask you to contemplate how The Flying Spaghetti Monster keeps your penis from falling off.

Yrreg

And really think about it.

 

[pakeha]

You are asking the question who created God if God created everything.

That is what you are into, and I have someone with that non-question in this board earlier, I told him to look up infinite regress and do some genuine thinking.

Why is that a non-question, yrreG?

And I will just ask you to contemplate how your nose does not fall off your face. ...

Does this count as a miracle, yrreG, that my nose doesn't fall off my face?

 

[slingblade]

Gerry? You don't have the power to put me anywhere.

God doesn't exist.