MI6 man found locked in a bag!

Rolfe said:
The point about nobody raising the alarm was more of a "duty of care" thing. Also, anomalous for MI6. A retired agent told the BBC how in his time (cold war days) they would come looking for you if you were an hour late for work.
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Which is why I don't buy the idea that nothing was done, but by the same token I think it's entirely understandable why they would deny that anything was.
 
angrysoba said:
Hmmm...so, what do you suppose they did?
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Sent someone round to covertly check on him, and - rightly - to make sure there was nothing in the flat that shouldn't have been there, which may explain some of the apparent forensic inconsistencies. This may have happened several days after Williams's death, and it may have been decided to leave the scene ostensibly as it was found.
 
Marduk said:
thats the flaw in my scenario too, if there was a partner who he consensually allowed to lock him in there, then he accidentally died, I can see how the partner might panic, but I can't see how the guy determined he was dead without opening the bag and why when he had done so he would relock the bag
maybe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ireland
or perhaps the lock is itself evidence of a cover up, what better way to not make it look like one of their officers was kinky and died because of his own bad judgement than to make it look like someone locked him in.

where was the key ?
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Perhaps something happened to delay the return of the putative partner? I know of such a case that left the sub requiring medical treatment, after escaping their restraints, when their partner was incapacitated in a minor traffic accident.
 
angrysoba said:
What does his team think when he comes on to the pitch like that? :boggled:
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:D She actually.

Rolfe said:
The point about nobody raising the alarm was more of a "duty of care" thing. Also, anomalous for MI6. A retired agent told the BBC how in his time (cold war days) they would come looking for you if you were an hour late for work.

Rolfe.
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Information Analyst said:
Sent someone round to covertly check on him, and - rightly - to make sure there was nothing in the flat that shouldn't have been there, which may explain some of the apparent forensic inconsistencies. This may have happened several days after Williams's death, and it may have been decided to leave the scene ostensibly as it was found.
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leon_heller said:
I'm quite sure that they sent someone to the flat when he didn't turn up for work and they couldn't contact him.
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This may be while the putative partner hasn't come forward and why no traces of them have been found.
 
He was on Secondment from GCHQ and had asked to be returned. He went on holiday and was supposed to return to his old job at GCHQ when he got back. His manager was at GCHQ and he also had a line manager at MI6.
His MI6 manager thought he was going directly to GCHQ when he got back off holiday and the GCHQ boss thought he was still at MI6. He was 'lost in the system' as it were and his absence wasn't noticed until he missed the meeting.
 
Much was made of Memory Sticks from his desk and locker not being handed over to the police team and somehow MI6 obstructed them. They were looked at by a high ranking officer from SO15 who decided there was nothing on them that had a bearing on the death.

As someone at Scotland Yard leaked like a seive to the Tabloids I think I can understand why MI6 woul dwant only cleared police officers to look at any work related items.
 
Information Analyst said:
Sent someone round to covertly check on him, and - rightly - to make sure there was nothing in the flat that shouldn't have been there, which may explain some of the apparent forensic inconsistencies. This may have happened several days after Williams's death, and it may have been decided to leave the scene ostensibly as it was found.
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leon_heller said:
I'm quite sure that they sent someone to the flat when he didn't turn up for work and they couldn't contact him.
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Really?

So, you're saying that MI6 or someone connected to them thought "That's odd, "W" hasn't shown up for work today." and then went round to the apartment, found his body in a bag, thought they'd leave it for the neighbours to discover, but searched the place for sensitive information, left the place with the heating still on high etc... etc...

I somehow think that is very unusual behaviour unless they somehow knew how he died. I would have thought a very decomposed corpse is more difficult to discover the cause of death from.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
He was on Secondment from GCHQ and had asked to be returned. He went on holiday and was supposed to return to his old job at GCHQ when he got back. His manager was at GCHQ and he also had a line manager at MI6.
His MI6 manager thought he was going directly to GCHQ when he got back off holiday and the GCHQ boss thought he was still at MI6. He was 'lost in the system' as it were and his absence wasn't noticed until he missed the meeting.
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He was due to return to MI6 after the holiday. He had meetings he was supposed to attend there, one of which he was chairing, during the week after his death.
 
angrysoba said:
Really?

So, you're saying that MI6 or someone connected to them thought "That's odd, "W" hasn't shown up for work today." and then went round to the apartment, found his body in a bag, thought they'd leave it for the neighbours to discover, but searched the place for sensitive information, left the place with the heating still on high etc... etc...

I somehow think that is very unusual behaviour unless they somehow knew how he died. I would have thought a very decomposed corpse is more difficult to discover the cause of death from.
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"So what did you find?"
"He's dead in a holdall in the flat."
"How do you know?"
"When nobody answered the door, I used the spare key I found in his desk here at work."
"Er... you shouldn't have done that."
"I know, but I didn't think he'd be there, and wanted to check if there was any sensitive material in the flat, in case something had actually happened to him elsewhere, and the sieve-leaky Met got there first."
"OK, we should probably keep quite about your visit, then..."

Seriously, though, as I said before, if something like that did happen, I don't think it's remotely as big a deal as the inevitable conspiracy theory that it was actually MI6 that bumped him off (which doesn't seem at all credible to begin with).
 
I think that is most likely to have happened, with the place being checked by MI6 before the police were notified. Maybe when he didn't turn up for work on the first day.

The heating being on in August is rather strange. Perhaps that was intended to hasten decomposition, in order to make the post mortem difficult, and to "muddy the waters".
 
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catsmate1 said:
No that common in my experience, I'd say it's more a being locked in by someone else thing. I know a sub who likes been wheeled around the city in a carry on bag.
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What is your definition of a carry-on bag?

I ask because in the US, carry-on bags must not exceed 56 x 36 x 23 cm.
 
Is she likely to have it with her when you encounter her, surely when her and the bag are in the same place she's inside it and you won't know she's there.
 
jargon buster said:
Is she likely to have it with her when you encounter her, surely when her and the bag are in the same place she's inside it and you won't know she's there.
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That depends. If I see her domme (whom I know) wheeling a bag around I'll ask otherwise I'll probably see one of them at a munch.
She's *very* flexible.

Hmmm, perhaps I should locate a similar bag and carry out an experiment; how big was Williams?
 
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