MI6 man found locked in a bag!

Captain_Swoop said:
I reckon someone else was there, the game went wrong and the guy died. SOmeone panicked and did a runner.
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This seems likely. Perhaps he was restrained and left alone (very bad practice) and the other party was late returning?

Captain_Swoop said:
I don't think it's spy stuff. If someone in the business wanted him out of the way I don't think they would have done it in a way that drew so much attention to it.
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Well it would be more likely to be written off as an accident/misadventure. Though if I were doing it I'd have made damn sure the restraints could have been applied by the victim unaided.

leon_heller said:
Another possibility is that he got someone else to tie him to the bed, who then left. Something similar happened with the bag, and he suffocated before he was due to be released. I suppose that people who are into bondage set a time limit in that sort of situation, for safety reasons. The helper realised that he could be charged with manslaughter, and left. I wonder how long it would take to suffocate if one was doubled up in a sport bag like that? A bath seems a strange place for that sort of activity, though, and if it took place somewhere else, why put the bagged body in the bath?

It looks like it would take 30 minutes before the air ran out:

http://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Self-bondage-in-travel-bag

People do go in for that form of bondage:

http://www.likera.com/sb/time-release.php

but they have safeguards, like those listed. Williams would presumably have known about them.

Some people have strange hobbies.
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Yep. I know a sub who liked to be wheeled around the city in a carry-on bag. :)

BazBear said:
Could the mods please move this to the BDSM subforum ;)
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Start a petition!!

Gawdzilla said:
Is anybody else thinking about the trash bag scene from "Student Bodies"?


Has anybody else even seen that movie?
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No but I'm intrigued. ;)
 
leon_heller said:
There was 'leakage'. The policeman who found the body noticed a red fluid in the bath.

That was very considerate of the helper. He'd have had to carry or drag the bag to the bathroom and lift it into the bath, whilst in a state of panic. Perhaps it was an elaborate assisted suicide, and he didn't want to make a mess. If he was into bondage, he'd have died happy. That would be quite a good explanation, IMHO.
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This may have been to deal with leakage during the bondage.
 
A new witness at the inquest has claimed that it might have been possible for Williams to get into the bag and lock it by himself:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17865736

It would have been very difficult, though, and he wouldn't have been able to get out unaided. Also, marks and footprints would have been left.

Here is an article with a video clip showing how he might have managed it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...have-locked-himself-in-bag-inquest-hears.html

I suppose that the final closing of the zip, and the locking of the padlock, would have been done though the bag material. I'd have thought that doing that would have left marks on the bag, though, and traces of the bag on the zip and padlock, and nothing like that seems to have been found.
 
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Body-in-a-Bag Spy: "Unlikely" He Killed Himself

Back in August 2010, the body of an MI6 spy, Gareth Williams was found locked in a bag in his bath in his apartment. Apparently he had been missing for a week.

It had been speculated that he had committed suicide by climbing into the bag himself and locking it from the outside. Obviously quite a stunt.

But now the coroner has said that she thinks it is "unlikely" that he committed suicide and was probably murdered.

It is "highly unlikely" MI6 officer Gareth Williams got into the bag he was found dead in alone, the coroner heading the seven-day inquest has said.

Fiona Wilcox said it was "unlikely" his death would "ever be satisfactorily explained" but "was killed unlawfully" "on balance of probabilities".

The body of the 31-year-old code-breaker from Anglesey was found locked in a bag in his London flat.
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This bit is interesting:

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw tweeted that she said a lack of formal signed statements by MI6 had affected the quality of evidence heard at inquest.

She also criticised the police for the way they seized Mr Williams' work phone and other items, and she criticised his line manager, MI6 officer "G", saying his evidence "begins to stretch bounds of credibility".

Dr Wilcox said that while there was no evidence to suggest he died at the hands of MI6 "it is still a legitimate line of inquiry".
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So, did MI6 conduct a wet job on one of their own spies?
 
A bit of breath-play self-bondage play gone wrong, perhaps?

Does seem rather an inefficient way to commit murder. "Get in the bag." 'No." "Please?"
"Nope, not getting in the bag." "I'll shoot you." "So? I'll die anyway. I prefer to die breathing." "Oh...."
That could go on for some time.

As to locking the bag from the outside.... Houdini used to unlock US mail bags from the INSIDE.... As well, such play often involves a friend who agrees to come back at a certain time.... Maybe things went wrong.
 
Bikewer said:
A bit of breath-play self-bondage play gone wrong, perhaps?
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That had ocurred to me too.



Bikewer said:
As to locking the bag from the outside.... Houdini used to unlock US mail bags from the INSIDE.... As well, such play often involves a friend who agrees to come back at a certain time.... Maybe things went wrong.
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Two "experts" tried to replicate getting in the bag and locking it from the inside but failed on each of the 300 attempts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17865736
 
Multivac said:
Two "experts" tried to replicate getting in the bag and locking it from the inside but failed on each of the 300 attempts.
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Randi's case-notes are full of "experts" who were convinced that something extremely weird couldn't be done without an external force. Usually in his case the external force was supposed to be ESP or something, rather than MI6 agents, but still.

The thing that makes me think it might have been an own goal is that comment from one of his old landladies, who said they'd found that he'd tied himself to his bed "to see if he could escape". So he's got a history of this sort of thing.
 
According to what I heard on the BBC World Service; Neighbors of his testified that they had helped him escape from bondage once before. They said they believed that something kinky was going on. This idea is re-enforced by the huge collection of fetishy female clothing he had.
 
richardm said:
Randi's case-notes are full of "experts" who were convinced that something extremely weird couldn't be done without an external force. Usually in his case the external force was supposed to be ESP or something, rather than MI6 agents, but still.

The thing that makes me think it might have been an own goal is that comment from one of his old landladies, who said they'd found that he'd tied himself to his bed "to see if he could escape". So he's got a history of this sort of thing.
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I believe Mr. Occam has spoken.
 
Is locking oneself inside a bag a popular thing among people who like to tie themselves up in strange places?
 
angrysoba said:
Is locking oneself inside a bag a popular thing among people who like to tie themselves up in strange places?
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No that common in my experience, I'd say it's more a being locked in by someone else thing. I know a sub who likes been wheeled around the city in a carry on bag.
 
Folks who are into self-bondage often devise complex and clever ways to secure keys and such for a specific period of time.
Rather dangerous if say...A fire breaks out.

Often a friend is enlisted to check on things.
 
Don't even get me talking about "total rubber restriction". Sheesh.
 
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