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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Indeed, try to find a single judgment from Nuremberg that mentions Katyn at all...
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yes.

You didn't notice all the fabrications?

You do know Ike, Winston, and de Gaulle never mentioned the foundation/KEYSTONE of the Holocaust, gas chambers, in their post war writings?

You do know that many respected Americans spoke out against the legality and integrity of the Nuremberg trials farce?

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/fester/american-nuremberg-judge-rubbishes-nuremberg-trials


http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...09/10/glaring-evidence-of-farce-that-was.html

You've done all that research and you can, with good conscience, vote as you did? That is scary.
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i read this post without looking at who wrote it and thought it was tongue in cheek. it's that bad.

this one's beautiful:
Soviet Prosecutors Convicted the Germans of the Katyn Forest Massacre
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does clayton have any clue what the role of a prosecutor is?
 
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truethat said:
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Until you have experienced something like this you don't understand at all. You can't imagine what it is like to watch a beam of light on a wall for hours, being too tired to even move because of such hunger pains and depression. Your depression leaves you after a while, your outrage goes as well, you fall down into a well of lonliness and just continue, you do not live, you only continue.
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I can imagine it.

In my case, it doesn't take much effort.

And over the years I've had conversations with my mother because she never really saw it the way it went down. First she doesn't remember most of what she did because of blackouts. Second she blames the other members of my family including my siblings for not feeding me or bringing me my needs. She doesn't to this day understand the kind of terror she inflicted in our family. She reminds me a lot of Jim Jones. She doesn't want to admit any of it. My family also wants to let it go because it is very painful. In some ways I think I am lucky to have been banished because she was equally as cruel to all of them.
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Also familiar. Though in my case it wasn't active cruelty, just a horrible, horrible mistake made by her and daddy, that she still blames on someone else. She's old, so I just let her live with the mistaken idea.

You need to ask yourself why the minutiae matters to you more than the devastation and anguish. Why those details count more than the evidence that piles up in front of you like so many bodies.
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I've asked CTs this many times. Never gotten an answer, even a response. Perhaps they're all afraid to look inside.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yes.

You didn't notice all the fabrications?

You do know Ike, Winston, and de Gaulle never mentioned the foundation/KEYSTONE of the Holocaust, gas chambers, in their post war writings?

You do know that many respected Americans spoke out against the legality and integrity of the Nuremberg trials farce?

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/fester/american-nuremberg-judge-rubbishes-nuremberg-trials



http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...09/10/glaring-evidence-of-farce-that-was.html


You've done all that research and you can, with good conscience, vote as you did? That is scary.
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1. Quote-mine.
2. Assertions don't end with ?s, Clayton. I am really tired of CT assertion by questioning.
 
The full history of Katyn is well known and a diversion.

What primary research have you done CM?

As in reading contemporary documents, withness interviews? have you been to any of the sites involved in the holocaust?
 
Dcdrac said:
Its well worth it and the surrounding area is beuatiful too which is a counterpoint to the horrendous dark evil that was discussed in the villa, there is an art gallery close by that is worth a visit too.

And here is one of the documents

http://www.ghwk.de/engl/protengl.htm
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Thanks. This is a recronstruction of the meeting that was made by the BBC a few years ago. It is based on original documents that detailed the meeting, so it should be a reasonably accurate depiction. Moves me to tears every time I watch it.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Conspiracy-DVD-Kenneth-Branagh/dp/B0000AZVHM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1336045389&sr=8-3
 
Dcdrac said:
The more I read of the holocaust deiners spurious facts and history the more convinced I am they have an agenda that has nothing to with the truth.
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I agree. Reached the same conclusion a while ago. There are a couple of posters, in this very thread, who deny the holocaust for reasons that have nothing to with looking for the truth.
 
Multivac said:
I agree. Reached the same conclusion a while ago. There are a couple of posters, in this very thread, who deny the holocaust for reasons that have nothing to with looking for the truth.
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I am not looking for the truth. I know what the truth is. The old truth was satisfactory to me for most of my life. The Holocaust barrage that made the Holocaust a cottage industry screamed agenda.

I became positive that the Holocaust facts, number of Jewish people killed and the existence of gas chambers, were bogus when the FACT "That no one knew what was happening in the camps" suddenly became "Everyone knew what was going on in the camps."

I agree with the new premise but adjusted to "Everyone knew what was going on in the camps but the alleged gruesome acts against children and babies could never have been business as usual or acceptable to all who would have had to know."

My view is the alleged violence against children and babies on such a large scale would never have been tolerated or accepted by the people involved with the camps and around the camps. No amount or degree of authority could have intimidated EVERYONE to look the other way.

So if anyone infers any hate of Jewish people from what I just said it's just another Holocaust fabrication.

I find it insulting to Jewish people of that time to portray that the overwhelming majority of them were docile and accepting of the alleged chaotic level of violence in the camps.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I became positive that the Holocaust facts, number of Jewish people killed and the existence of gas chambers, were bogus when the FACT "That no one knew what was happening in the camps" suddenly became "Everyone knew what was going on in the camps."
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So you stumbled across a carefully constructed straw man and then proceeded to completely fall for it. And yet you expect us to believe that you're not a Nazi apologist. Right.

Clayton More said:
I find it insulting to Jewish people of that time to portray that the overwhelming majority of them were docile and accepting of the alleged chaotic level of violence in the camps.
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You thinking that the Jews absolutely had knowledge of what was going on and/or that they absolutely were capable of effectively resisting the SS is insulting to the Jews. And you wonder why people call you anti-Semitic.
 
What exactly did the victims of the Nazisa have to fight with?

They were in nazi occupied countries disarmed and in some cases their fellow citizesn helping with their persection it even happened in the Channel Islands the only part of the UK to be occupied in WW2 and in Vichy France and Occupied France.

The few times they had the ability to fight back they did so magnificently as in theWarzaw Ghetto rising, lightly armed people held the Whermacht for 1 month.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I am not looking for the truth. I know what the truth is. The old truth was satisfactory to me for most of my life. The Holocaust barrage that made the Holocaust a cottage industry screamed agenda.

I became positive that the Holocaust facts, number of Jewish people killed and the existence of gas chambers, were bogus when the FACT "That no one knew what was happening in the camps" suddenly became "Everyone knew what was going on in the camps."

I agree with the new premise but adjusted to "Everyone knew what was going on in the camps but the alleged gruesome acts against children and babies could never have been business as usual or acceptable to all who would have had to know."

My view is the alleged violence against children and babies on such a large scale would never have been tolerated or accepted by the people involved with the camps and around the camps. No amount or degree of authority could have intimidated EVERYONE to look the other way.

So if anyone infers any hate of Jewish people from what I just said it's just another Holocaust fabrication.

I find it insulting to Jewish people of that time to portray that the overwhelming majority of them were docile and accepting of the alleged chaotic level of violence in the camps.
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Are you insane?

Violence against children always occurs in wars. Do you also doubt the damage done in Cambodia because no one would accept that level of violence?

I see what is causing your confusion. You are treating the prisoners of these camps like military POWs. You are thinking of them as the people who should have fought back. Soldiers would fight back. WW2 was the deadliest war in history with 2.5% of the entire worlds population being killed.

You really believe that the Jews inability to fight back is proof that nothing happened to them?

Where in the world did you get the idea that people won't tolerate violence against children?
 
Clayton Moore said:
I am not looking for the truth. I know what the truth is.
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< yoda >That is why you fail.< /yoda >


If you own the truth why must you support it with so many posted lies?

The truth you own is not historical truth, it is the truth that you *still* tap dance around: that you hate Jews for nothing more than being Jews.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Lurkers and liars note the lies testified at the trials that earned the Zionists billions in reparations and stigmatized Germans to this day. Let alone the slaughter of millions of German civilians for many years after the war ended.
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Why would you address only lurkers and revisionists?
 
Border Reiver said:
And after a review of some of my old notes - ...

A.II. The idea that they should be tried under German law ...

B.
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This post must be a forgery. The office code (or whatever) should be A II 3 c.
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ETA: I realize I shouldn't have divulged what I thought the real code should be. I should just say that it is wrong and not elaborate on why I know this.
 
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swright777 said:
This post must be a forgery. The office code (or whatever) should be A II 3 c.
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ETA: I realize I shouldn't have divulged what I thought the real code should be. I should just say that it is wrong and not elaborate on why I know this.
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My university notes are old, but not that old....
 
truethat said:
You are treating the prisoners of these camps like military POWs. You are thinking of them as the people who should have fought back. Soldiers would fight back.
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Actually, Soviet POWs died in great numbers in Nazi camps - some 3.5 million out of 5.7 million captured, most of the deaths occurring in the first 8 months or so of Operation Barbarossa. These captives were shipped to camps on open rail cars, held under heavy guard, malnourished, denied medical care, keptin open camps, subject to murder actions, made to do forced labor, and mistreated in other ways. Due to their weakened state and the conditions they were held in, Soviet prisoners of war did not resist en masse despite being military.
 
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