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Holocaust denial poll - all forum participants invited

What do you think of Holocaust denial?


  • Total voters
    256
Well, I took this opportunity to vote for the right side even though I rarely participate in the Holocaust Denial thread. I don't participate largely because it is very difficult for me to respond to deniers and stay within the membership agreement. Moon hoax believers are, for the most part, just comically dumb. Holocaust deniers are dumb and just plain evil.
 
It looks like I voted for the wrong option by mistake here - I am not an active participant and I think Holocaust denial is wrong (should be option 4 then). I don't want to accidentally appear to be a holocaust denier.
 
Here's a puzzle.

Option #3 has 1 vote recorded.
Option #3 has 4 names next to it.
However, all those 4 names listed have said in the thread they accidentally voted #3 and meant #4 (see posts #6, #9, #50, #64).

So it seems that
a) there was an error in the counting (or one request was simply not seen)
b) in any case, the names of the people who voted wrongly have not been moved
 
One of the mods posted (in the Apollo poll?) that, when correcting erroneous votes, the counts changed but the list of names didn't. Basically, of those 4 names, 3 asked mods to correct their vote.

ETA: Oops, misread your post. Presumably one of the four didn't request the mods to fix the vote.
 
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One of the mods posted (in the Apollo poll?) that, when correcting erroneous votes, the counts changed but the list of names didn't. Basically, of those 4 names, 3 asked mods to correct their vote.

ETA: Oops, misread your post. Presumably one of the four didn't request the mods to fix the vote.

I didn't read the Apollo poll, but I did read the FM thread about the principle, and it was only mentioned in passing there that the name lists were not altered. Still, I see posts of all four who voted #4 that they'd like to change their vote. :confused:
 
I didn't read the Apollo poll, but I did read the FM thread about the principle, and it was only mentioned in passing there that the name lists were not altered. Still, I see posts of all four who voted #4 that they'd like to change their vote. :confused:
They'd need to contact the mods as well, I suspect. Reporting the post would have sufficed.

In any event, the results are clear despite this minor confusion.
 
...I initially thought this poll was kind of worthless but it has yielded an interesting result. More than 85% of the respondents say they don't know enough or care enough about holocaust denial to participate in a holocaust denial discussion but they know it's wrong anyway.

No.

More than 85% of the respondents chose an option that says "I am not an active Holocaust denial thread participant, and I think Holocaust denial is wrong".

They did not chose an option that said "I don't know enough or care enough about holocaust denial to participate in a holocaust denial discussion but I know it's wrong anyway".

I cannot of course speak for the rest of the 85%+, but I do know about the holocaust. I do care about holocaust denial. I simply chose not to enter the debate on this forum.

I'm pretty sure at least some of the others who voted option 4 would say the same.
 
No.

More than 85% of the respondents chose an option that says "I am not an active Holocaust denial thread participant, and I think Holocaust denial is wrong".

They did not chose an option that said "I don't know enough or care enough about holocaust denial to participate in a holocaust denial discussion but I know it's wrong anyway".

I cannot of course speak for the rest of the 85%+, but I do know about the holocaust. I do care about holocaust denial. I simply chose not to enter the debate on this forum.

I'm pretty sure at least some of the others who voted option 4 would say the same.

Especially as the deniers more than likely do not care that you care about this hideaous crime
 
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I initially thought this poll was kind of worthless but it has yielded an interesting result. More than 85% of the respondents say they don't know enough or care enough about holocaust denial to participate in a holocaust denial discussion but they know it's wrong anyway. I wonder how these eighty five percenters would define the holocaust and how many of them can tell us what it is about the holocaust that the "deniers" actually "deny" and why they "deny" it?


As one of the 85% I'll chime in on this.

I do not consider my self to be an active participant in the thread for a number of reasons:

a. I do not post in it that often; and
b. My personal historical knowledge of this time period is of a broad nature and tends to be more focussed on family contributions to WWII, and to my regimental history and national history, so while aware of the broad historical events - I am not as aware of individual events surrounding the Holocaust as
I am of my father-in-law's participation in the liberation of Holland with le Regiment de Maisonneuve, or with the activities of 2nd Bty, 4 RCA from Sept 3, 1939 to May 8, 1945 - and much of the discussion gets more specific than I can meaningfully contribute to.

I am aware of the anti-Jewish laws passed by the Reich, having an interest in the events leading to WWII and these laws being part of the legislative and historical record. I am aware of the legal events of the post war trials, having researched the Nuremberg trials while examining Canadian War Crimes legislation during my university days.

I would define the Holocaust as a series of events promulgated by Nazi Germany to initially marginalize Jews (based on an extreme form of anti-semitism), and later eliminate them from Germany. Prior to the war the nazis limited themselves to harassment and intimidation and marginalization as a PR measure, and during the war ramped up their efforts to carry out the extreme ideas put out in Mein Kampf (nasty book - extremely hard to read) and eliminate from the German state and it's conquered territories those that Hitler had deemed to be unworthy of life - Jews, gypsies, communists, socialists, freemasons, political opponents, etc. The policies did not shift over night, and did were not implemented wholeheartedly everywhere, because the myth of German efficiency and adherence to orders from on high is just that "a myth" - the sheer number of organizations competing for resources in Germany belaying any contention that the Germans were efficient. A

At the end of the war the scope of the nazi crimes became evident and where possible, the architects of those crimes where made to pay, the enablers made to accept what they had allowed to go on in their name, and the rest of us get to live with the knowledge of the depths that we can sink to if we give our hatred free reign.

The Deniers seem to be the ones that refuse to accept that these events occurred, or seek to diminish the horror of what happened, either due to their own prejudices or for their own political agendas. The ignorant can be taught, the willfully blind, not so much.
 
No.

More than 85% of the respondents chose an option that says "I am not an active Holocaust denial thread participant, and I think Holocaust denial is wrong".

They did not chose an option that said "I don't know enough or care enough about holocaust denial to participate in a holocaust denial discussion but I know it's wrong anyway".

I cannot of course speak for the rest of the 85%+, but I do know about the holocaust. I do care about holocaust denial. I simply chose not to enter the debate on this forum.

I'm pretty sure at least some of the others who voted option 4 would say the same.

Yes exactly. I use to debate deniers but after seeing the same childish denial used over and over again, I gave it up, as I did also with creationists
 
Poll results show that it's quite clear that the denier guys continue to be losing the battle. People think HD is abhorrent. Deniers are evil. This doesn't seem to worry deniers greatly. Nor are they concerned that most people think it's a complete waste of time engaging with them. Not because they are "right," either. Deniers never wonder why. They ignore all such unfavourable barometers as wrong and try to use such evidence where negative opinions are shown to launch strings of self-justifying and sometimes nauseating responses.

Maybe they deny it because they can neither comprehend or accept such depravity existed? That's what comes across to me continually behind all the waffle or one liners and the dodging. My original perceptions of Holocaust denial have not changed much...

I enjoyed your posts truethat, though it's fair to say that they are likely to shoot over the heads of Holocaust deniers...
 
These recent polls put things into perspective...

It appears that a very few make a lot of "noise", and these very few are the reason for the persistance of these idiotic ideas.
 
Several posts have been moved to the General Holocaust denial discussion thread as that is the place for such discussion. Please keep this thread to the discussion of the poll, rather than discussion of the Holocaust itself or Holocaust denial. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
Posted By: LashL
 

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