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Just wanted to pop in here to mention that I got to spend the morning at work today hanging out with Apollo 8 astronaut Bill Anders.

Nothing else, just wanted to throw that in... :D
 
Just wanted to pop in here to mention that I got to spend the morning at work today hanging out with Apollo 8 astronaut Bill Anders.

Nothing else, just wanted to throw that in... :D

Did he look shifty? Nervous? Avoid any mention of lunar travel? ;) :D

Seriously tho I am very envious. I'm very much looking forward to hearing Harrison Schmitt speak this October.
 
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In my opinion, this point was especially proven over at IMDB.
I think that's why that particular proponent essentially "punched out" of the debate by posting one of his characteristically foul-mouthed rants that he knew would be deleted by the moderators. That gave him an excuse not to take the debate seriously, since he could play the censorship card. In any case, that hoax claimant is back safely at YouTube where he can control the debate, and he now has the departed Patrick1000 to keep him company.
It's only fair to post Jarrah's point of view so people can see what's being discussed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9TXFQLjg4

(If the link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "MoonFaker: The Punch Heard All Around The World. PART 3".)

How can we confirm that Jarrah gave a foul-mouthed rant? You people have lied before so why should we just believe you?

Jay Windley destroyed his credibility when he gave this response...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

...to this issue...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

...and the rest of you destroyed your credibility by agreeing with him. None of you has any credibility. All of you obviously know that the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do. That above issue is simply too clear to obfuscate and you tried to obfuscate it anyway.
 
All of you obviously know that the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do.

Is it only in regard to Apollo that you suffer from this delusion?

Are you, for example, unable to believe that people are sincere if they express political opinions opposed to your own? Do you think they are just being deliberately contrary to annoy you or for some personal gain of their own?

Do you doubt the honesty of people who express religious beliefs different from your own?

Genuine question.
 
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It's only fair to post Jarrah's point of view so people can see what's being discussed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9TXFQLjg4
No. Just no. I will not waste time and bandwidth on a pointless JW youtube fiasco. State your point here in your own words.

(If the link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "MoonFaker: The Punch Heard All Around The World. PART 3".)
I care not a whit if the link does or does not work. Any sputum exuded by that idiot is not worth the bother.

How can we confirm that Jarrah gave a foul-mouthed rant? You people have lied before so why should we just believe you?
JW lies as a matter of course. The null hypothesis for JW is "lie".


You have been burned on this issue, both here and elsewhere.

...and the rest of you destroyed your credibility by agreeing with him. None of you has any credibility.
Where is yours?

All of you obviously know that the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do.
I see. When was it that you developed the ability to read minds?

That above issue is simply too clear to obfuscate and you tried to obfuscate it anyway.
D-K can be treated. Insulting everyone is not likely to win any hearts and minds.
 
FF88: why do you say we all "know" the missions were faked? As I've posted on this thread, that makes me part of "all" and I know the missions weren't faked. That seems to be a fundamental flaw in your argument right there.
 
FF88: why do you say we all "know" the missions were faked? As I've posted on this thread, that makes me part of "all" and I know the missions weren't faked. That seems to be a fundamental flaw in your argument right there.

Because he says so, therefore it must be true. Didn't you know?

And the obsession with Jay is more than a little unhealthy.
 
FF88: why do you say we all "know" the missions were faked? As I've posted on this thread, that makes me part of "all" and I know the missions weren't faked.
Do you also "Know" that Jay Windley was right when he said this...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

...when he was addressing this issue?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

Only someone who doesn't even believe his own arguments would agree with him. That issue is so clear-cut and basic that it makes a good objectivity test.
 
Do you also "Know" that Jay Windley was right when he said this...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

...when he was addressing this issue?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

Only someone who doesn't even believe his own arguments would agree with him. That issue is so clear-cut and basic that it makes a good objectivity test.

Jebus H. Cripes, again with the Jay obsession.

Give it a rest, it is getting old.
 
How can we confirm that Jarrah gave a foul-mouthed rant? You people have lied before so why should we just believe you?

You appear to be cornered, as you show no signs of answering the very simple questions. All we are getting is repeat nonsense.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8182240&postcount=8239

That is irrelevant. There are two issues that YOU alone are connecting.

The first slight movement and the after passing movement.

You are totally cornered, and all the rhetoric or sophistry won't sway the viewers. You can obfuscate all you like, but I will thwart your efforts to avoid these points by reposting them until you give an answer that isn't biased and lame.

Why didn't Jarrah White's flag move with "the atmosphere explanation"TM? It barely flickered when he was level with it.

Now stop tapdancing and explain this. The viewers are watching. I would say your success rate is below zero here. You have no answer because no such physics explanation exists.

Urging viewers to do something, when they have already concluded you are hopelessly wrong, is an act of desparation and diversion.

Jarrah White concluded the astronaut was close enough. Is it possible that the astronaut moved the flag with his elbow, just like Jarrah White showed he could have?

You appear to be simply repeating the same line. The viewers are anxious to hear your elaboration of how a man moves air 4-6 feet in front of him.

You have ignored all possibilities in favour of the LEAST likely one, because you have invested 5 years of your life spamming this same thing repeatedly. It must really bug you all these hard questions, I suspect that you know you are wrong so have to avoid them at all costs.

I actually really, really love this video below, it is just so well observed. We have the "maestro" Jarrah White, attempting to disprove ground vibration as the cause, by jumping up and down next to his bed - a wide area, supported by four legs with a low centre of gravity(teehee) - but whilst doing so, he completely debunks his own "atmosphere explanation"!! The sheet he is trying to shake doesn't move a jot when he walks past it, jumps next to it. Nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixGapxKURc

Now had he done this on the Moon, with a flagpole seated in the regolith there would be a perfectly good chance he would see a little movement, just like they did when Apollo 15 landed there.;)

Jarrah White's flag - It stops in 5 seconds flat - once again you are cornered on this matter.

That's rich coming from you, since you have ignored all the questions and points I keep making. I need to keep asking them to "thwart you"TM. You don't appear to know what billowing means. There is nothing to explain, there is no air on the Moon, so no breeze. The movement was as stated and your continual tapdancing won't make this go away. There is a vast mountain range of information proving Apollo happened, you have nothing but denial.

FF88 "knows we went to the Moon":rolleyes: all his diversion and tapdancing is just like the Black Knight in Monty Python, he cannot answer these questions, and linked to this forum from the SciFiforum - where the same questions were posed to him - and he had the audacity to say they had been answered here. Rubbish.

Now quit with the avoidance and answer the questions. The viewers are eagerly awaiting here and on the other forum.



p.s. Please don't post a link to that forum to say they have been answered.
 
Now quit with the avoidance and answer the questions.
Anyone who goes back and looks at my posts will see that I already addressed those questions. Here's an example.

Jarrah White's flag - It stops in 5 seconds flat - once again you are cornered on this matter.
Here's where this was asked before.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8181518&postcount=8217
Jarrah's flag comes to a stop after 5 seconds, the Apollo flag sped up 150% takes 20 seconds. Now explain, properly this time, it billows much more than Apollo yet stops way quicker.
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It's not at all clear how fast Jarrah's flag comes to a stop as the camera is not looking at the flag straight on as would be necessary to see when it comes to a stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ
(8:30 time mark)

I've made this point before and you people just ignored it.

Instead of giving a counter-rebuttal to my rebuttal, you just asked the same question again. Only people who are very desperate play these kinds of games. You're trying to draw attention away from the issue in post #8268.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8246579&postcount=8286

Tell us whether you agree with Jay Windley.
 
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All of you obviously know that the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do.

Nonsense.

You and your fellow travellers need to get it into your head that supporting the moon landings is done out of belief that they actually happened, and a determination not to let lars and charlatans dominate the debate by distributing specious ill-founded nonsense masquerading as 'evidence'.

Did I spend the best part of 8 months analysing satellite and Apollo images of Earth because I wanted to perpetuate a fraud, or because I believed it was worth doing to prove a point?

Am I spending my spare time plotting Apollo lunar orbital images on Google Moon sniggering up my sleeve because I am helping sucker in another generation of NASA loving drones, or because I think it's worth doing to demonstrate that the Apollo missions happened?

Do you not think I have better things to do that argue the minutiae of the missions with people who don't understand a single word that's being thrown at them?

The landings happened, there is no coherent and credible evidence to prove otherwise.
 
Now then, why did you run from the rest of his post?
It's easy to address. I just didn't want to risk getting banned but since you asked, I'll go ahead and risk it.

Did I spend the best part of 8 months analysing satellite and Apollo images of Earth because I wanted to perpetuate a fraud, or because I believed it was worth doing to prove a point?
I think you did it to perpetuate a fraud.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222

I think all of you are here to perpetuate a fraud. I think all of you pro-Apollo posters here know that Apollo was a fraud as well as the hoax-believers do.
 
I think all of you are here to perpetuate a fraud. I think all of you pro-Apollo posters here know that Apollo was a fraud as well as the hoax-believers do.

I still want to know if it's only Apollo that you think everyone lies about, or if you just can't quite believe anyone honestly disagrees with you about anything.

Do you think people who support political views opposite to your own really believe what they say, or are they just pretending for some reason?

Do you think people who claim to hold religious beliefs you don't share sincerely believe what they say?
 
Anyone who goes back and looks at my posts will see that I already addressed those questions.

The 3 questions in red above please. Tapdancing bluster is very tiresome. Your avoidance of Jarrah's flag stopping in 5 seconds is obvious to the viewers, it is easy to see that atmosphere brings it to a stop very quickly. Try again - you are cornered and cannot answer this without making yourself look silly.
 
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