Obama's So Cool...

[thaiboxerken]

What part of, "You want to debate specific points, open a new thread on any of them and we'll have at it. " do you not understand?

I could care less of points that read like conspiracy theory.

 

[Neally]

Hey, look, buddy, you ain't getting it. If it bad, it's Bush. Got it, chump?

<<mhaze paraphrasing ridiculous bs crap parroted by useful idiots of the low places of the left>>

Or maybe,

Q. Anti-Obama people are so dumb, they can't even say why they don't like him.
A. Here's a list of 12 specific reasons why I don't like him.
Q. Err, well those don't matter anyway since you're some sort of conspiracy nut.

 

[thaiboxerken]

The specifics you gave me just reinforce my opinion. Thanks for that.

 

[Neally]

The specifics you gave me just reinforce my opinion. Thanks for that.

Since your love is blind, nothing can change it and any contrary evidence will be seen to enforce it, or hand waved away. Isn't love grand?

 

[maxpower1227]

Next thing you know we'll be electing actors as president.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Since your love is blind, nothing can change it and any contrary evidence will be seen to enforce it, or hand waved away. Isn't love grand?

Believe what you want. Keep the faith

 

[Peephole]

Another important issue addressed by Republicans.

 

[mhaze]

Or maybe,

Q. Anti-Obama people are so dumb, they can't even say why they don't like him.
A. Here's a list of 12 specific reasons why I don't like him.
Q. Err, well those don't matter anyway since you're some sort of conspiracy nut.

Right, I got it. Just commenting that in spite of the media train getting on the "obama cool" meme, not many people are going to fall for it, because the guy's just not cool. Sorry, but that's pretty simplistic......

 

[Noztradamus]

9 Biden is am awesome VP

"Joe Biden is a heartbeat away from the Presidency." That statement creates a feeling of terror and dread.

 

[dc1971]

Evidently you. Enough to post twice, telling us all about how much you don't care.

And it's apparent you care too! Otherwise you would not have posted here.

 

[dc1971]

First you ask for specifics. You're given them. Then you ask for something substantial, now you're back to specifics. Having a bit of trouble with the goal posts are we?

Yes.

We are.

Aren't we, Neally?

 

[dc1971]

That just proves that you care about me. And I'm touched.

We all care about you, Zig! I thought you knew that?

 

[dc1971]

Since your love is blind, nothing can change it and any contrary evidence will be seen to enforce it, or hand waved away. Isn't love grand?

No.

Actually...

You are grand!

 

[dc1971]

And the prize for biggest suckup of the year goes to Paul Waldman, for this unintentionally hilarious column on Barack's coolness:




Of course all the conservative blogs piled on Waldman for that ridiculous comment, so he attempted a rowback:



1. That argument might work, if the two posts in question hadn't been titled "Cool Kids Versus Squares".
2. If he thinks Obama is hard to parody, he hasn't been watching Saturday Night Live.
3. I don't want a cool president, and for what it's worth, I don't think he is. He's kind of dorky, which is fine with me.

Jon Cole of Balloon Juice, unintentionally proves the latter point with a post intended to show just how cool Barack is. He's got a picture there of Obama and the gal who played Uhuru on the original Star Trek, doing the Spock "Live long and prosper" finger thing, heh.

How big of a nerd do you have to be to think that's cool?

Gee. Funny.

It's such a horrible thing for the President to make a television appearance. Shucks, it's as if the world is coming to and end or something.

I think we should make even more of a fuss about the President making an appearance on Jimmy Fallon, after all it's such an UNPRESIDENTIAL thing to do!

 

[Tricky]

Where to begin? Here's a start:
Obamacare

Hasn't screwed up the country. Hasn't even gone into effect yet. Most economists say it will save the country money.

0 for 1

2.First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government

Which was caused by the Republican Congress blocking spending bills.
0 for 2

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels

Didn't exactly "orchestrate" it, but it was a bad idea. No evidence, though, that it has "screwed up" the country. But I'll give you this one

1 for 3

First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

First time a president was forced to act in a situation like this, which was totally not of his making, yet he was expected to do something about it. Can you describe what a Republican would have done better? No?

1 for 4

First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs

Except that there are. There have been lots of projects already started. And the it is only a small part of the stimulus package. This is simply BS political rhetoric.

1 for 5

First President to sue states for requiring valid IDs to vote, even though the same administration requires valid IDs to travel by air

The issue has never come up before. I suppose though that you can argue it was a bad decision, so I'll give you this one.

2 for 6

First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters

Simply untrue.

2 for 7

First President to sign into law a bill that permits the government to "hold anyone suspected of being associated with terrorism indefinitely, without any form of due process. No indictment. No judge or jury. No evidence. No trial. Just an indefinite jail sentence."

Which the previous administration was doing without such a bill. This is a slight unscrewing, though I'm not in favor of the law. But you can't pin this on Obama.

2 for 8

Chose Biden to be his VP.

And he's done nothign seriously wrong. Fail.

2 for 9

Accused an innocent white cop without all the facts.

And publicly apologized, opening up a debate on race and profiling. That's a good thing.
2 for 10

Tried to deny he sat and listened to a racist preacher for twenty years.

This is a lie, pure and simple. He never denied he listened to Reverend Wright, plus you have no evidence that this has in any way screwed up the country.

2 for 11.

Appointed a racist communist to be his "green czar"

Oooh, you end with lies and slander! You really are on a roll

2 for 12

Certainly you can have the opinion that these are all screw-ups, but any casual examination will show them to mostly be wrong, lies, or partisan rhetoric.

Certainly Obama has done some things I don't approve of. Failure to close Guantanamo is one, but to count it as "screwing up the country" would be ridiculous, since it was already "screwed up" in this issue. I don't care for his refusal to support gay marriage, but I understand it as a political necessity. There are others. Many others. But to say he's "screwed up the country", you would have to show where he has made a change in policy or is doing something different from previous administrations that has caused a negative impact, and franly, I don't think that you can show many examples of this without stooping to partisan rhetoric.

 

[Neally]

Certainly you can have the opinion that these are all screw-ups, but any casual examination will show them to mostly be wrong, lies, or partisan rhetoric.

Again, I was responding to:
1. How did he screw up?
2. Which policies don't you like?

All of what I listed do answer one or both of those questions, and addresses the underlying claim that people against BO don't even know why or can't name why they don't like him. 12 for 12.

 

[Tricky]

Again, I was responding to:
1. How did he screw up?
2. Which policies don't you like?

All of what I listed do answer one or both of those questions, and addresses the underlying claim that people against BO don't even know why or can't name why they don't like him. 12 for 12.

But a lot of the ones you're citing are things which Republicans have done too. So it basically boils down to the case that you don't like him because he's a Democrat. Certainly that is your choice. I'll give you 1 for 1 on that.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Obamacare especially, that's a Republican plan start to finish. Why are we calling it Obamacare again?

 

[Neally]

But a lot of the ones you're citing are things which Republicans have done too. So it basically boils down to the case that you don't like him because he's a Democrat. Certainly that is your choice. I'll give you 1 for 1 on that.

If by "a lot" you mean numbers 2 and 8. But regardless, I can certainly dislike things about what Bush did and can name them.

The fact that Bush was involved in #8 and I would certainly be critical of him for that, shows that my dislike for BO isn't simply because of his party affiliation.

Anyway the point has been answered to the oft made claim that, you don't like him just cuz he's a democrat, or black, or whatever.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Anyway the point has been answered to the oft made claim that, you don't like him just cuz he's a democrat, or black, or whatever.

It certainly has.