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WTC7 and the girder walk-off between column 79 and 44

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NoahFence said:
The interesting thing is people on the ground knew it was going to collapse while it was still standing! They didn't care what column was to blame. And hey! They were right. How about that. No graphs, no computer models. Ten+ years later and you people are still flailing over stupid crap.

Bravo!
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Oh yeah, they knew it was going to collapse. Not for any particular reason mind you, but they knew and that settles it that it was a natural collapse in your mind.

The guys who intended to take it down without a permit also knew it was going to collapse. The difference is they knew how it would happen.

There is anecdotal evidence that NIST's Shyam Sunder even mentioned about an engineer on the ground saying it was a lost cause and was going to collapse. Now who was this guy and what basis did he have for saying that?

The conditions for what NIST says happened didn't come together until the last minute so how would this mystery guy know?

You really should spend the time to watch this video about just why what you are saying is proof of foreknowledge of an intentionally caused event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwJMRgcLs0
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
Oh yeah, they knew it was going to collapse. Not for any particular reason mind you, but they knew and that settles it that it was a natural collapse in your mind.

The guys who intended to take it down without a permit also knew it was going to collapse. The difference is they knew how it would happen.

There is anecdotal evidence that NIST's Shyam Sunder even mentioned about an engineer on the ground saying it was a lost cause and was going to collapse. Now who was this guy and what basis did he have for saying that?

The conditions for what NIST says happened didn't come together until the last minute so how would this mystery guy know?
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How would he know? Well for one, it was unsound due to impact and fire. It was making noises. Creaking. It was deforming. People WAY smarter than you made these determinations, and they have yet to be proven wrong.
 
DGM said:
But, doing this will never lead you closer to the actual cause. You are not considering other possibilities. What about a natural ground shift that changes the original load distribution?

You're limiting yourself to justify a belief.
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Water towers and the like are built on solid foundations.

What you are talking about would have to be an earthquake and if that occurred I would consider it.

Please don't distract from the fact that TFK didn't consider the actual problem.

I am getting the sense here that those who are reluctant to acknowledge the fact that the NIST explanation for the collapse initiation of WTC 7 has been proven impossible, are now into hand waving that anything could happen and we can never know. This applies to those other than good ole TFK, who went about solving a problem which wasn't germane to the issue. He is in a special category of denial all by himself.
 
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NoahFence said:
How would he know? Well for one, it was unsound due to impact and fire. It was making noises. Creaking. It was deforming. People WAY smarter than you made these determinations, and they have yet to be proven wrong.
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Oh yeah, those noises definitely proved it was coming down.
 
NoahFence said:
Uh, not quite junior.

Its your assertion that molten metal is a characterifstic of CD.
Prove it.
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It's my assertion that the presence of a fire that couldn't be put out for over TWO months after 9/11 and the presence of molten steel underneath the rubble for over TWO months after 9/11 is proof perfect that the destruction was preplanned.
 
NoahFence said:
How would he know? Well for one, it was unsound due to impact and fire. It was making noises. Creaking. It was deforming. People WAY smarter than you made these determinations, and they have yet to be proven wrong.
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Yes "every one" knew it was coming down. Yet NIST was stumped for years. Even what they do have has been proven impossible by Tony and others.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
... You really should spend the time to watch this video about just why what you are saying is proof of foreknowledge of an intentionally caused event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwJMRgcLs0
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You make up conspiracies about everything, from failed JFK tripe to 911; you see conspiracies all over and offer zero evidence. CD is your beam weapon; you are exactly like Fetzer, and Jones fooled you with is insane melted metal nonsense.

Who cares about your failure to figure out this topic? What does your conspiracy fantasy do with 77 and 93? The realcddeal breaks into delusional insanity when it gets to flight 77 and 93; let alone the fact you are working on WTC 7, not a target of terrorists, the target of fire.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It's my assertion that the presence of a fire that couldn't be put out for over TWO months after 9/11 and the presence of molten steel underneath the rubble for over TWO months after 9/11 is proof perfect that the destruction was preplanned.
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Alright, so those are your assertions. Now, show us the evidence to prove them. Otherwise, just like the rest of 9/11 Twoof, they're just so many empty words.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It's my assertion that the presence of a fire that couldn't be put out for over TWO months after 9/11 and the presence of molten steel underneath the rubble for over TWO months after 9/11 is proof perfect that the destruction was preplanned.
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So ALL fires that burn over two months are proof of controlled demo?

Kiddo just stop.
 
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