Republicans want to limit access to contraception

[Puppycow]

This kind of stuff seems to be the main thing that Republicans are focused on these days, whether it's defunding Planned Parenthood or putting up hurdles between women and their contraceptives. The morning-after pill is an over-the-counter emergency contraceptive.

Proposed Law Assumes Women Can't Be Trusted to Take the Morning After Pill Without Supervision

It’s not rocket science to understand that this measure isn’t designed to promote anyone’s health; it’s just designed to inconvenience women who are already in a stressful Morning After Pill situation and waste precious time, which is of the essence after the condom breaks. Forcing women to make an appointment with a doctor and then wait and then take the pill in front of the doctor isn’t “protecting life,” it’s just “promoting unwanted pregnancy” and “making getting emergency contraception a huge pain in the ass.” And I’m sure doctors don’t appreciate being told what to do by moralizing, votemongering legislators, either.

If you are a woman or even a man and you don't want politicians interfering with your right to avoid an unintended pregnancy, may I suggest that you not vote Republican, because this is the main thing they do these days.

 

[Travis]

Can't have those women thinking they are all independent and in control of their own bodies.

 

[BenBurch]

This is what the abortion fight has been all about.

They know that there are actually not that many abortions, but they think (and I have heard this from the pulpit with my own ears) that nearly all birth control causes abortions.

The goal here is to be able to make it illegal.

 

[TragicMonkey]

It's not really about wanting babies, it's about wanting to punish people for having sex.

 

[Newtons Bit]

This is for RU-486, the abortion pill. Not the morning after pill. It has nothing to do with contraceptives. The law is EXTREMELY clear on this.

 

[BenBurch]

This is for RU-486, the abortion pill. Not the morning after pill. It has nothing to do with contraceptives. The law is EXTREMELY clear on this.

Since they DO believe that all contraceptive pills cause abortion, if they can restrict this pill, they have a green light to restrict the others. Courts are notoriously bad at determining scientific facts like how a contraceptive actually operates.

 

[Cleon]

Courts are notoriously bad at determining scientific facts like how a contraceptive actually operates.

So are politicians. It's simultaneously incredibly sad and amusing that so many proponents of "small government" have no problem allowing government to legislate medical issues--as long as it's women's medical issues that are being legislated.

 

[RandFan]

This kind of stuff seems to be the main thing that Republicans are focused on these days...

Yep, got to save those living human cells. Even if they cannot think or feel.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Since they DO believe that all contraceptive pills cause abortion, if they can restrict this pill, they have a green light to restrict the others. Courts are notoriously bad at determining scientific facts like how a contraceptive actually operates.

Evidence?

 

[Corsair 115]

This is for RU-486, the abortion pill. Not the morning after pill.

Uh, maybe I'm missing something in the colloquial terminology, but aren't those essentially the same thing?

 

[cwalner]

So are politicians. It's simultaneously incredibly sad and amusing that so many proponents of "small government" have no problem allowing government to legislate medical issues--as long as it's women's medical issues that are being legislated.

Daily show had a good story recently on this, with the help of a smart-ass (I mean that as a strong compliment) legislator in Oklahoma who introduced a bill declaring sperm alive and that would make it a crime to deposit sperm anywhere other than a vagina.

Bro-Choice

 

[Newtons Bit]

Uh, maybe I'm missing something in the colloquial terminology, but aren't those essentially the same thing?

No. The morning-after-pill (aka Plan B) is really only effective for a few days, at which point it is more or less useless at stopping a pregnancy. RU-486 will terminate a pregnancy at any point, and also has some other useful medical effects. What's more, is that the FDA already requires RU-486 to be administered by a medical professional (though not necessarily a doctor).

Also, the article that LittleGreenFootball links to has already updated their error and admitted that this law doesn't apply to contraceptives.

 

[BenBurch]

Evidence?

You mean evidence of what I heard from the pulpit?

Can't give you that.

But I can show you this;

http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

And many other sites saying variations on this theme. Nice thing about abandoning science; you can say dozens of contradictory things and claim they are all correct.

 

[Newtons Bit]

You mean evidence of what I heard from the pulpit?

Can't give you that.

But I can show you this;

http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

And many other sites saying variations on this theme. Nice thing about abandoning science; you can say dozens of contradictory things and claim they are all correct.

I meant: evidence supporting your statement that this law will somehow give a green light to restrict contraceptive pills.

 

[BenBurch]

Uh, maybe I'm missing something in the colloquial terminology, but aren't those essentially the same thing?

No.

RU-486 causes an abortion of an established pregnancy.

Morning after pills (there are a couple types but they are all progestin I believe) work by several paths; they can prevent ovulation, increase mucus thickness to prevent sperm from moving around and finding the egg, and by thinning the lining of the uterus which can help prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.

 

[eeyore1954]

This kind of stuff seems to be the main thing that Republicans are focused on these days, whether it's defunding Planned Parenthood or putting up hurdles between women and their contraceptives. The morning-after pill is an over-the-counter emergency contraceptive.

Proposed Law Assumes Women Can't Be Trusted to Take the Morning After Pill Without Supervision



If you are a woman or even a man and you don't want politicians interfering with your right to avoid an unintended pregnancy, may I suggest that you not vote Republican, because this is the main thing they do these days.

This bill has nothing to do with limiting access to contraception unless you consider abortion to be contraception.

 

[BenBurch]

I meant: evidence supporting your statement that this law will somehow give a green light to restrict contraceptive pills.

If they can justify this law, because a pill causes abortions, then they can take their belief that all birth control causes abortions and justify banning any birth control pill. I don't think that requires any proof because its bloody obvious, and I don't think their desire to do so requires more than I gave you.

These are people who will attempt ANYTHING (even murder) to prevent what they believe are abortions.

 

[Newtons Bit]

If they can justify this law, because a pill causes abortions, then they can take their belief that all birth control causes abortions and justify banning any birth control pill. I don't think that requires any proof because its bloody obvious, and I don't think their desire to do so requires more than I gave you.

These are people who will attempt ANYTHING (even murder) to prevent what they believe are abortions.

This is a pill that is specifically designed to cause abortions. Do you have something besides a slippery slope fallacy to fall back on?

 

[RandFan]

Daily show had a good story recently on this, with the help of a smart-ass (I mean that as a strong compliment) legislator in Oklahoma who introduced a bill declaring sperm alive and that would make it a crime to deposit sperm anywhere other than a vagina.

Bro-Choice

Brilliant. Two living human cells are not life but once they join voilà LIFE.

 

[RandFan]

This bill has nothing to do with limiting access to contraception unless you consider abortion to be contraception.

Colloquially, yes. I do.