The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

If God exists miracles are possible.
And if Santa Clause exists then he might bring me a pony.

Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.
That "something" was the same thing that turned the followers of Mohamed into a religion that shook up the world, contributed to the extinction of worship of the old gods, and whose actions play a major part in world events today.

You're still engaging in special pleading.
 
Where did I post this?

"So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true?"

Post # 2132. You specifically claimed that there has to be something to Christianity because it has been around for some 2000 years and if it wasn't true it would have faded away and been forgotten. The problem is that there are a number of religions that are still going strong after many generations.
 
Then why did they need the sword to originally grow if this alleged historical event was so earth shattering.


Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

- Arnaud Amalric, Abbot of Cîteaux and Papal Legate​

Good question, DOC.


Christianity grew peacefully during its first 300 years in the brutal Roman Empire, where several emperors even made it illegal to have Christian writings.


If I was a proto-Christian doing my thing in an empire that I thought would string me up, nail me to a tree, feed me to some lions or light me up like a candle I'd be being pretty peaceful about it too, although the fact is it wasn't the religious pursuits of the Christians that got them in trouble so much as their seditious meddling and all-round unwillingness to play by the rules.

Just like today, in other words.

Once the ball got rolling, however, it was a bit of a different story though, wasn't it? Face it DOC, the Romans were extremely tolerant when it came to the religions of those they conquered and in many cases they adopted those religions as their own.

Christianity, on the other hand, has never learned to play nice with the other kids. And never will.
 
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If God exists miracles are possible. Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

So you've given up on the failed bible prophecies? Very wise of you.
 
Then why did they need the sword to originally grow if this alleged historical event was so earth shattering. Christianity grew peacefully during its first 300 years in the brutal Roman Empire, where several emperors even made it illegal to have Christian writings.

Peacefully? Ever heard of Constantine? He was handy with a sword.
 
If God exists miracles are possible. Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

Ron L. Hubbard's nonsense has some rabid acolytes too. Does that prove the existence of Xenu?
 
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

- Arnaud Amalric, Abbot of Cîteaux and Papal Legate​

Good question, DOC.





If I was a proto-Christian doing my thing in an empire that I thought would string me up, nail me to a tree, feed me to some lions or light me up like a candle I'd be being pretty peaceful about it too, although the fact is it wasn't the religious pursuits of the Christians that got them in trouble so mush as their seditious meddling and all-round unwillingness to play by ther rules.

Just like today, in other words.

Once the ball got rolling, however, it was a bit of a different story though, wasn't it? Face it DOC, the Romans were extremely tolerant when it came to the religions of those they conquered and in many cases they adopted those religions as their own.

Christianity, on the other hand, has never learned to play nice with the other kids. And never will.

Christianity usurped pagan rituals and festivals. It was a case of if you can't beat them, join them. The farce of Christmas and the stupid story of the birth of Jesus is a case in point. Easter too.
 
Ron L. Hubbard's nonsense has some rabid acolytes too. Does that prove the existence of Xenu?

And a whole bunch of people packed up and went to live in the harsh wilderness because Joseph Smith claimed to have been given a set of golden plates by an angel. Mormonism is still going strong today, so it must be true.
 
If God exists miracles are possible. Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.
The believers in Jesus' miraculous resurrection may have shaken up some communities, and converted a minority to the belief in their religion, but note that they never converted the people of whom Jesus was one, and from whom he sprang, and who were the alleged observers of the event! This is the biggest failure of credibility in the foundation of any religion I know! Tom Paine's account of this failure (Age of Reason Part 1 Ch 2) is worth citing here. (My italics.)
But the resurrection of a dead person from the grave, and his ascension through the air, is a thing very different as to the evidence it admits of, to the invisible conception of a child in the womb. The resurrection and ascension, supposing them to have taken place, admitted of public and ocular demonstration, like that of the ascension of a balloon, or the sun at noon-day, to all Jerusalem at least. A thing which everybody is required to believe, requires that the proof and evidence of it should be equal to all, and universal; and as the public visibility of this last related act was the only evidence that could give sanction to the former part, the whole of it falls to the ground, because that evidence never was given. Instead of this, a small number of persons, not more than eight or nine, are introduced as proxies for the whole world, to say they saw it, and all the rest of the world are called upon to believe it. But it appears that Thomas did not believe the resurrection, and, as they say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration himself. So neither will I, and the reason is equally as good for me, and for every other person, as for Thomas.

It is in vain to attempt to palliate or disguise this matter. The story, so far as relates to the supernatural part, has every mark of fraud and imposition stamped upon the face of it. Who were the authors of it is as impossible for us now to know, as it is for us to be assured that the books in which the account is related were written by the persons whose names they bear; the best surviving evidence we now have respecting that affair is the Jews. They are regularly descended from the people who lived in the times this resurrection and ascension is said to have happened, and they say, it is not true. It has long appeared to me a strange inconsistency to cite the Jews as a proof of the truth of the story. It is just the same as if a man were to say, I will prove the truth of what I have told you by producing the people who say it is false.
 
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It's almost as if DOC has completely forgotten that the last 30 times he attempted this stupid argument it was shot down in exactly the same way.


It does make one wonder how his memory works.


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OK, apparently I was too subtle before. Let me make this clear, even for those in the cheap seats.


The spread of Christianity, the foundation of other religions, the conversions of Jewish lawyers are all OFF TOPIC. Get back to the veracity of biblical prophesy.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
OK, apparently I was too subtle before. Let me make this clear, even for those in the cheap seats.


The spread of Christianity, the foundation of other religions, the conversions of Jewish lawyers are all OFF TOPIC. Get back to the veracity of biblical prophesy.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

We could, if Doc would just answer our questions. I'll try again. Doc, would you agree that the prophecy about uncircumcised men entering Jerusalem has failed? If it has not failed, when do you expect a ban on uncut willies to be enforced?
 
OK, apparently I was too subtle before. Let me make this clear, even for those in the cheap seats.


The spread of Christianity, the foundation of other religions, the conversions of Jewish lawyers are all OFF TOPIC. Get back to the veracity of biblical prophesy.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

Really, it's that simple? I'm not aiming for a suspension, but how can you rein in anything when it comes to Biblical prophecy? I'm not a regular contributor to this thread, but I follow (read) it. How do you define what is outside of the Bible?

You actually said that the spread of Christianity was outside of Biblical prophesy. Care to explain that?
 
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OK, apparently I was too subtle before. Let me make this clear, even for those in the cheap seats.


The spread of Christianity, the foundation of other religions, the conversions of Jewish lawyers are all OFF TOPIC. Get back to the veracity of biblical prophesy.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
Very well, then. Here's a more "on topic" passage from Tom Paine, Examination of the Prophecies
These repeated forgeries and falsifications create a well- founded suspicion that all the cases spoken of concerning the person called Jesus Christ are made cases, on purpose to lug in, and that very clumsily, some broken sentences from the Old Testament, and apply them as prophecies of those cases; and that so far from his being the Son of God, he did not exist even as a man -- that he is merely an imaginary or allegorical character, as Apollo, Hercules, Jupiter, and all the deities of antiquity were. There is no history written at the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived that speaks of the existence of such a person, even as a man.
The Jesus story "fulfills" the prophecies merely because it was made up from the prophecies, as I showed above (#2152) from the two donkeys story in Matthew. Paine stated this two centuries ago. He was right.
 
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How could I ever do that when (besides my other posts) there is Isaiah chapter 53, and also the verse in Ezekiel 26 that accurately prophecizes Tyre will become a place over which fisherman will place their nets.



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Am I missing something here?


Apart, that is, from the fact that Isaiah 53 has nothing at all to say about Tyre.
 
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Am I missing something here?
Perhaps. Zoom in and you may see fishermen's nets hanging out to dry, somewhere near the shore, and DOC will claim it to be a fulfilment of Biblical prophecy.
 

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