The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[zooterkin]

Isis wept. The bloke in that video is a loon and a half. I'll bet he has no trouble at all believing in fulfilled prophecies.

He's got the self-righteous, I-don't-need-to-know-stuff-cos-I've-found-jeebus, atheism-is-a-religion sound just about right though.

He can't even read his own website name correctly, so I don't think I'd trust him for anything else.

 

[Akhenaten]

He can't even read his own website name correctly, so I don't think I'd trust him for anything else.

Exactly. I also found the idea of making a YouTube of his website by pointing a webcam at it as it appears on a monitor to be fairly . . . unique.

 

[pakeha]

Yes, unique IS one way of describing that.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have at least one, unique fulfilled bibical prophecy to discuss here?

 

[dafydd]

Yes, unique IS one way of describing that.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have at least one, unique fulfilled bibical prophecy to discuss here?

No camel has ever gone through the eye of a needle, but that is not a prophecy, just common sense.

 

[DOC]

So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true?

Strawman

Islam is around 1500 years old and people are still talking about it. Buddhism is 2500 years old and people are still talking about it.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Those religions don't have their basis in a singular historical event. It doesn't make sense for Christianity to even exist without a resurrection.

Also Islam spread originally by the sword; and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is.

 

[kmortis]

Strawman



Those religions don't have their basis in a singular historical event. It doesn't make sense for Christianity to even exist without a resurrection.

Also Islam spread originally by the sword; and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is.

[OT]Highlighted the total fail here.
Islam is based upon the alleged revelation of The Word Of Allah™ by the Angel Gabriel to his Prophet Mohammed. A rather singular event if I've ever heard of one.

I'll give you Buddhism. Even if you take only Siddhartha Guatama, it was more of a process than an event that led him to his eventual ideas. Rather fitting, considering what his ideas were.

And Chrisitianity also spread by the sword, so there's nothing unique there.[/OT]

And NONE of this has to do with prophesy. Keep it up and it'll all be whisked away for a Rule 11 violation. Same for the Jay Suklow cra...stuff.

 

[DOC]

Maybe not just anyone. You need to be a saint. The passage, from Matt 27, is very garbled The graves were opened at the time of Jesus' death, but the zombie saints stayed put in their open graves until Jesus was resurrected, whereupon they climbed out and started wandering about! To their credit, the other gospels do not contain this laughable tale.

If God exists miracles are possible. Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

 

[RoboTimbo]

But something happened shortly afterward which is why the biggest church in the world is located in the heart of the Roman Empire (Rome) and why we are discussing all of this 2000 years later.

So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true? Islam is around 1500 years old and people are still talking about it. Buddhism is 2500 years old and people are still talking about it.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Strawman

There is absolutely no way you could have gotten an "A" in any logic course. You have no idea what any logical fallacies are but you hear names for them and randomly regurgitate them at inappropriate times.

Foster Zygote's comment was not a strawman, it was a description of what you yourself had posted. It was the logical extension of what you're trying to pass off as evidence.

What you meant to say about your own post was that you were engaging in the fallacy of "special pleading". You're saying that Christianity is true because it has been around for 2000 years but other relgions aren't true even though they've been around as long or longer because Christianity is special. Can you explain why that is a fallacy?

Oops! Sorry kmortis, you were posting as I was.

DOC, what does this have to do with all of the failed prophecies in the Bible?

 

[Resume]

Also Islam spread originally by the sword; and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is.

No religion is dependent on a single event. They are all amalgamations of varied mythologies and philosophies dolled and doctored up to frame a certain desired social construct.

Then apologetics are formed to address inconsistencies and contradictions as necessary.

By the way, the sword was no secret to christians. Ask Simon Peter.

 

[Resume]

If God exists miracles are possible.

You have to establish the former to access the latter. So far, no.

 

[DOC]

[OT]Highlighted the total fail here.
Islam is based upon the alleged revelation of The Word Of Allah™ by the Angel Gabriel to his Prophet Mohammed. A rather singular event if I've ever heard of one.
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Then why did they need the sword to originally grow if this alleged historical event was so earth shattering. Christianity grew peacefully during its first 300 years in the brutal Roman Empire, where several emperors even made it illegal to have Christian writings.

 

[Resume]

Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

Appeal to tradition, and, so what?

 

[RoboTimbo]

If God exists miracles are possible. Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods, and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

As we've never seen miracles, we have to conclude that no god(s) exist then. Thank you for clearing that up.

Or are you saying that something had to turn a bunch of scared Saudis into bold terrorists who shook up the world, ending their own lives as they ended others? If you say that's different, you are engaging in the fallacy of special pleading.

But what does this have to do with all the failed prophecies in the Christian Bible?

 

[Resume]

Then why did they need the sword to originally grow if this alleged historical event was so earth shattering.

Turn that around.

 

[DOC]

There is absolutely no way you could have gotten an "A" in any logic course. You have no idea what any logical fallacies are but you hear names for them and randomly regurgitate them at inappropriate times.

Foster Zygote's comment was not a strawman, it was a description of what you yourself had posted...

Where did I post this?

"So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true?"

 

[RoboTimbo]

Where did I post this?

"So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true?"

Strawman. I never said you posted that.

 

[Akhenaten]

So the fact that a religion has roots in the distant past means that it must be true?

Strawman

Well. no. It was a reference to you pointing out that:

. . . we are discussing all of this 2000 years later.

You only get to call "Strawman!" when you can point out that someone is attributing words to you that you didn't actually use.

Failness.

Islam is around 1500 years old and people are still talking about it. Buddhism is 2500 years old and people are still talking about it.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Those religions don't have their basis in a singular historical event.

Even though this is untrue, so bloody what?

It doesn't make sense for Christianity to even exist without a resurrection.

No it doesn't. Time to pack it all in then, I guess.

Also Islam spread originally by the sword; and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is.

Apparently you've forgotten the Crusades and a whole heap of other historical events that demonstrate the bloody history of Christianity, or are you just pretending to have forgotten? There's another word for that sort of thing.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Strawman

DOC, I'd love to read a detailed explanation of how my query qualifies as a strawman argument.

Those religions don't have their basis in a singular historical event.

The claimed appearance of the angel Gabriel to Mohamed certainly qualifies as a single event.

It doesn't make sense for Christianity to even exist without a resurrection.

Christianity, as we know it now, is based on belief in the claim of Jesus' resurrection from the dead. It says nothing about the truth of the claim. If large numbers of people can come to believe a false claim about an angel appearing to Mohamed, then large numbers of people can come to believe a false claim about Jesus rising from the dead.

Also Islam spread originally by the sword;

So what? Christianity was spread by the sword as well.

...and Buddhism is based in a philosophy, it is not dependent on a singular historical event as Christianity is.

Let's pretend that you aren't wrong about that: So what? Seriously, explain why a claim is more valid if it describes a single event rather than related events occurring over days, months or years.

 

[Akhenaten]

If God exists miracles are possible.

There's your problem. Been staring you in the face the whole time, hasn't it?

Something had to turn a bunch of scared apostles into bold evangelists that shook up the world, greatly contributed to the extinction of the Greek and Roman gods . . .

No it doesn't. You aren't even able to demonstrate that these apostles even existed so there's no honest way you can ascribe motivations to them.

Further, I'd point out that referring to the extinction of other gods is obviously tacit acknowledgement of their previous existence.

Take it from one who knows, this is Not A Good Look for an alleged monotheist.

. . . and whose actions even play a big part in our upcoming election.

And so the relentless search for the most irrelevant statement in the history of everything continues.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Then why did they need the sword to originally grow if this alleged historical event was so earth shattering. Christianity grew peacefully during its first 300 years in the brutal Roman Empire, where several emperors even made it illegal to have Christian writings.

In it's earliest history, Islam grew by word of mouth, just like Christianity. The fact that they had the means and opportunity to fight religious wars a few centuries earlier than Christianity does nothing to invalidate Islam or validate Christianity.