SnakeTongue
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There is actually no 'want' about it. Either you digest the information, or you remain hopelessly ignorant. I merely pointed you in the direction of some sources of documents which you can read and digest for free.
I predicted that you would try to dismiss Yad Vashem with an ad hominem argument, and obviously I was right. Unfortunately this doesn't work. The reason Yad Vashem was recommended was because it offers online sources, for free, in translation. The sources exist whether you like it or not, and it doesn't matter what paranoid bullflop you come up with to try and dismiss them.
Appellare ad Prophetia.
If you know that would happen, why did you bother to take part into?
What fool you are...
Numerical data is generally found in books after historians have processed large numbers of sources to arrive at reasonable figures, either estimates (which are not exactly uncommon in historiography) or precise figures based on whatever sources are available.
That is a job for the mathematicians and computer analysts in case you do not know.
I noticed you cannot explain to Clayton Moore which unit measure you utilized in your book...
You rhetoric speak all.
And this is why your insistence on 'primary sources' is such gibberish. You skip over secondary sources, the very books and articles which would actually answer your question, playing Every Man His Own Historian while remaining wilfully incapable of digesting, understanding or analysing all the sources. But primary sources it was you asked for, so you got given some primary sources.
Evidently you cannot read English properly since I wrote
As it happened, I didn't recommend Yad Vashem as a sole source (database), I recommended the site as one of several possible sources of information. If you recall, I originally gave my sources for the brief summary of how Jews were identified by listing the following books
SOURCES - a small selection, needless to say
Jews in France during World War II / Renée Poznanski. Hanover, N.H. : University Press of New England in Association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum ; Waltham, Mass. : Brandeis University Press, 2001
Moore, Bob, Survivors. Jewish Self-Help and Rescue in Nazi-Occupied Western Europe. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010
Paulsson, Gunnar S., Secret city : the hidden Jews of Warsaw, 1940-1945. New Haven : Yale University Press, c2002.
Krakowski, Shmuel, The War of the Doomed. Jewish Armed Resistance in Poland, 1942-1944. New York, 1984
Seltzer, William, ‘Population Statistics, the Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials’, Population and Development Review 24/3, 1998, pp.511-552
Engelking, Barbara, Jest taki piekny sloneczny dzien... Losy Zydow szukajacych ratunku na wsi polskiej 1942-1945. Warsaw: Stowarzyszenie Centrum Badan nad Zaglada Zydow, 2011
Grabowski, Judenjagd. Polowanie na Zydow 1942-1945. Studium dziejow pewnego powiatu. Warsaw: Stowarzyszenie Centrum Badan nad Zaglada Zydow, 2011
This caused you to throw a hissy fit and ask for something that was free. So I gave you some sources that were free. I didn't just recommend YV, I also recommended Googling:
which clearly you have no interest in doing, so all of this is a waste of time that only serves to make you look sillier and sillier.
That's only if you wander around in a maze of tertiary sources, but this is easily avoided by going to secondary sources of the kind recommended above, eg Poznanski's book on the Jews of France. Poznanski then cites documents with proper archival references, which can if you remain completely paranoid, check by visiting the archive.
You can also order books from libraries. For free.
393 words and counting...
It's really funny, your sockpuppet on Skeptic Society Forum just posted a reproduction - not a facsimile - of a memo by Foreign Office official Martin Luther dated 21 August 1942 which was originally used in the Ministries Trial and coded NG-2586-J. So it seems that 'data from a show trial' is apparently 'statically acceptable' to you if you think it supports your case, but if you are trolling then it's not. Hypocrite.
I do not even know you are typing about...
You are hallucinating.
What is 'statically acceptable' to you is irrelevant. The Eichmann trial saw more than 1,000 documents submitted into evidence. Those documents came from archives. The same archives have been used by historians - not, hiowever by deniers - who write books summarising the evidence of the documents for the convenience of readers who don't have time to go through 1,000 documents in German. The Eichmann Trial was thus recommended as source for primary sources.
You could present 6,000,000 documents to Eichmann!
Unless there are more witness which have confirmed the same documents and provided numerical data,
Margin of error = 98%
This is yet more meaningless gibberish. The Luther Memo which you so happily linked to exists - and belonged in a file of the Foreign Office. The same file contained many other documents relevant to the Final Solution of the Jewish Question. Indeed if I recall correctly, the same file contains the Wannsee protocol, stamped with a numbering sequence which is consistent across the file.
Oh, the Wansee Nazy Conspirancy Protocol of the Aryan Race!
No accurate statistical data there...
On the contrary, I provided you with the starting points to answer your apparent questions. I am under no obligation to give you a postgraduate level education in the Holocaust on this thread.
You, however, are under the intellectual obligation to know what the heck it is you are talking about. I have suggested a few ways of remedying your seemingly incurable ignorance, but you have simply thrown petulant hissy fits. Pathetic.
I am also not interested in religious studies.
It is interesting to read many posts by you and observe that you spell full zero digit numbers and percentages at will, without any care to accuracy. But when I ask for statistical reference, you disguise your inability to present me the original data with huge paragraphs of words.
