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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Dogzilla said:
Why don't you just provide a citation for your information like I used to do when I wrote term papers in college? He asked for specific sources, not a print-out the search results for "Holocaust" on the Barnes and Noble website.
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You seem to have not noticed that in my previous reply I provided sources just as in a term paper, even though this is an internet forum and not a college course. This prompted SnakeTongue to troll away by whining about having to buy books, which in turn prompted me to outline some of the easily available online sources.

Since this is a discussion forum and not a college course, I don't intend to be made to dance and jump through hoops to source easily ascertained information which can be found all over the internet in multiple locations and which ought to be known to anyone who has a reasonable familiarity with the subject they are meant to be discussing and debating.

It is more interesting and more useful to draw people's attention to some of the potential sources and issues. Judging by PMs and public comments on other threads, people appreciate that. I don't care if that satisfies you or SnakeTongue.

I followed up with a further post about the niceties of sourcing, which seem to be a huge issue for SnakeTongue, despite the fact that he has given no indication of his educational background or actual knowledge of the conventional literature and sources on the Holocaust.

It's exam season soon, and I must say the deniers continue to fail at failing.
 
ANTPogo said:
Not the ones guarding and staffing the camps.
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I don't know. You weren't there.

No, the first German KL was established long before the IJN attacked Pearl Harbor. Dachau, for instance, was established only two months after Hitler came to power in January 1933.
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Yeah, but those Germans probably looked across the pond after the attack at Pearl, saw what we were doing to the innocent Japanese-American civilians, and probably felt justified in what they were doing. I mean, if the Germans had any doubts about what they were doing, our concentration camps here in America definitely removed them.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
No, and you can't prove it wasn't.
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Oh, good grief...

What if I kidnap someone with no intent to kill them and then you block me in and prevent me from delivering food and medicine to them, which results in their death?

That would make you partially responsible for their death.
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Look everyone! I'm SpringHallConvert! Flibber-dee-dee! I'm going to ask this guy to prove that the Nazis wanted to feed and administer medicine to the people who died.

That doesn't answer my question.
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Laziness will get you nowhere.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Well, the United States kidnapped the Japanese-American citizens and held them hostage too, so maybe Germany was just following our lead.
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Why do you insist on always being wrong? Does it give you some kind of orgasmic high?

The correctly termed concentration camps were in operation in 1933 to 1944. The also correctly termed internment camps were in operation in 1942 and no ransom was ever demanded for them, the entire reason for taking hostages as hostages. In point of fact they were eventually compensated (in 1988).
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Give me some evidence that shows that the German rail lines and roads weren't being bombed and strafed at all hours of the day.
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You seem confused. The majority of camps were in Poland, not Germany.

The range of Allied bombers. Can you please detail one allied bomber that could reach Treblinka before December 1942 when the majority of executions took place? You seem to have no knowledge of basic military logistics, just like Clayton Moore. (PS you need to look at maps and airfields to determine distance and then explain how, if a bomber could reach Treblinka, its service rail line etc, how it could locate these targets in rural Poland.

I know you won't back up your words. Neither does Clayton. I can't tell you two apart sometimes.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
You seem confused. The majority of camps were in Poland, not Germany.

The range of Allied bombers. Can you please detail one allied bomber that could reach Treblinka before December 1942 when the majority of executions took place? You seem to have no knowledge of basic military logistics, just like Clayton Moore. (PS you need to look at maps and airfields to determine distance and then explain how, if a bomber could reach Treblinka, its service rail line etc, how it could locate these targets in rural Poland.

I know you won't back up your words. Neither does Clayton. I can't tell you two apart sometimes.
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That's great, but German rail lines connected to Polish rail lines. Disruptions to the transportation network in Germany caused disruptions in supply delivery elsewhere.

The RAF and USAF share some of the responsibility for all those people who died in the camps. Maybe the Holocaust should be renamed as the "Bombocaust"?
 
SpringHallConvert said:
That depends. What was the Holocaust? Is its definition dependent on the trumped-up six million number? Is its definition dependent on the number of people killed incidentally through starvation, exposure, and disease? How can anyone be sure about the numbers anyway?

That entire war was just a huge orgy of chaos and propaganda, so I don't think it's quite so clear what really happened.
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That's true, The Axis actually won but everyone is too scared of their jobs to admit it.
 
I'd say we have enough trolls in this thread already to start pandering to SHC's particular brand of inanities. Do yourselves a favor and ignore his postings. He'll go away when he doesn't get the attention that he craves.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I have, and the burden is on you to prove the Holocaust happened the way we are told it happened. You haven't done that yet. Nobody has.

Let me know when you do, though.
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Prove to me the sky is blue.





OK, but you have to open your eyes.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
That's great, but German rail lines connected to Polish rail lines.
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Are you confused again? Are you pretending that German rail supplies in the east all had to travel over western rail lines where the allied bombers could reach them? Logic is not your friend is it? You are going to get really confused when I start talking about differing rail guages between Germany and eastern Europe

SpringHallConvert said:
Disruptions to the transportation network in Germany caused disruptions in supply delivery elsewhere.
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So you think a transport of Jews from Warsaw to Treblinka would be effected by the allied bombings in western Germany? Yet the station master at Treblinka, Franciszek Zabecki, kept all the rail transport records of Jewish victims going into Treblinka. That's 713,555 people according to the internal German Hofle Telegram. They didn't leave the camp.


SpringHallConvert said:
The RAF and USAF share some of the responsibility for all those people who died in the camps. Maybe the Holocaust should be renamed as the "Bombocaust"?
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No, that would be really stupid as bomber could not reach the concentration camps in Poland prior to December 1942 and therefore had nothing to do with German executions of Jews. Are you very confused again? Do you have a smarter friend who can explain this logic to you?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Are you confused again? Are you pretending that German rail supplies in the east all had to travel over western rail lines where the allied bombers could reach them? Logic is not your friend is it? You are going to get really confused when I start talking about differing rail guages between Germany and eastern Europe

So you think a transport of Jews from Warsaw to Treblinka would be effected by the allied bombings in western Germany? Yet the station master at Treblinka, Franciszek Zabecki, kept all the rail transport records of Jewish victims going into Treblinka. That's 713,555 people according to the internal German Hofle Telegram. They didn't leave the camp.


No, that would be really stupid as bomber could not reach the concentration camps in Poland prior to December 1942 and therefore had nothing to do with German executions of Jews. Are you very confused again? Do you have a smarter friend who can explain this logic to you?
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You make a lot of claims without providing any credible evidence.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
You make a lot of claims without providing any credible evidence.
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I gave you the name of Franciszek Zabecki who kept the train movement logs at Treblinka as evidence there was no disruption in Poland of rail way movements due to allied bombing in Western Germany. His records are available for your review in Siedlce, Poland.

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html

Poland is a large country that sits east of Germany, if that helps you with grasping the basics of history.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
That's great, but German rail lines connected to Polish rail lines. Disruptions to the transportation network in Germany caused disruptions in supply delivery elsewhere.

The RAF and USAF share some of the responsibility for all those people who died in the camps. Maybe the Holocaust should be renamed as the "Bombocaust"?
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This relates to the transport of Jews from, for example, Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka how? Do you know where Warsaw was in relationship to Treblinka? Do you know anything about the cadence by which trains arrived at Treblinka?

Now, you also have to consider that about a million and a half Jews killed by the Germans during the war years were simply shot dead in close proximity to their homes. Do you know where this happened? Allied bombing damage? Seriously?
 
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ANTPogo said:
You're supposed to do this "verification" before posting about it. That's why your initial "analysis" was simply parroting what Alvarez said, and you had to "spend time" over the last few weeks figuring out a way to make what you unthinkingly repeated sound plausible.

Too bad you failed. . . .
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Excellent post, ANTPogo, I learned more than I will retain! Nicely done and very informative.
 
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