The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Muldur said:
Meteorites used to be called "falling stars" before people understood what they were.

The Bible does not use 21st century technical language. It uses the every day language of a technologically less advanced people.
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That's because the people who made it up didn't know better, not becuase they were incapable of understanding a more accurate view.

Your argument gives the impression that god and the biblical authors were intentionally lying to the people to keep reality from them.
 
TimCallahan said:
I'm not sure if this post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but you do know, of course, that the gospels were written to "fulfill" the prophecies. This is particularly true of John having Jesus speared in the side after being crucified in order to "fulfill" Zechariah, though the Synoptic Gospels are ignorant of this incident.
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No, they simply do not speak of the incident. None of the gospels are "clones" of the others. That one focuses on one detail that the others do not does not impugn either it or them. John is simply providing an additional detail.
 
joobz said:
That's because the people who made it up didn't know better, not becuase they were incapable of understanding a more accurate view.
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The very existence of meteorites was not recognized until many centuries later.

Your argument gives the impression that god and the biblical authors were intentionally lying to the people to keep reality from them.
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There is no possible way to derive that from my argument. The Bible was written in the language of the day, nothing more or less. It was written from the POV of people who did not have (among other things) germ theory, yet it speaks to the fact that under the sanitation laws the house of a deceased person was to be treated as "unclean", and that one should make the latrine separate and distant from one's encampment.

No deception, simply depicting events and matters in terms the people at the time could understand.
 
Science will never be able to explain how every single prophecy from the first Lord of the Rings movie came true in the third Lord of the Rings movie.
 
Muldur said:
The very existence of meteorites was not recognized until many centuries later.
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Exactly. If the bible was the inspired word of god, why wouldn't god have told them the truth regarding meteors?
We are left with only a few conclusions:
1.) God intentionally lied to people about reality.(withholding information and letting people form false opinions is a form of lying)
2.) The bible wasn't inspired by god. Which would only mean that either god doesn't exist, or that the bible is a false representation of his will.


Muldur said:
There is no possible way to derive that from my argument. The Bible was written in the language of the day, nothing more or less.
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The capacity of knowledge and learning of people 2000-3000 years ago does not differ from people today. To suggest that they couldn't adopt a new set of language to better address reality is to imply they were not yet "ready" for the truth. Why wouldn't they be ready for it?


Muldur said:
It was written from the POV of people who did not have (among other things) germ theory, yet it speaks to the fact that under the sanitation laws the house of a deceased person was to be treated as "unclean", and that one should make the latrine separate and distant from one's encampment.
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Those are weak examples of evidence for germ theory and infection spreading.
And yet, the bible also demonstrates a rash handling of simple infections that would be easy to treat. Why not explain antibiotics? Jesus could have helped Cure entire leper colonies with spreading that knowledge.
 
Muldur said:
The very existence of meteorites was not recognized until many centuries later.
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So what? The Bible is the inerrant word of God, isn't it? He could have dictated to one of his human scribes that "there are big lumps of rock and/or iron and other metals that fall to earth and while falling, burn up and therefore give off light".


Muldur said:
There is no possible way to derive that from my argument. The Bible was written in the language of the day, nothing more or less. It was written from the POV of people who did not have (among other things) germ theory,
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Which doesn't preclude God to tell his scribes to write down that "there are very small critters, smaller than the eye can see, that cause diseases".

Muldur said:
yet it speaks to the fact that under the sanitation laws the house of a deceased person was to be treated as "unclean", and that one should make the latrine separate and distant from one's encampment.

No deception, simply depicting events and matters in terms the people at the time could understand.
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We've gone over this argument here many times. The prescription about latrines is crappy. It only applies to military encampments, and it fails to prescribe that the latrine should not be close to a well. And the reason? God guards the camp at night and he doesn't want to see feces lying around - nothing about sanitation.

Deuteronomy 23:12-14:
12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. 13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. 14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.
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Muldur said:
Meteorites used to be called "falling stars" before people understood what they were.

The Bible does not use 21st century technical language. It uses the every day language of a technologically less advanced people.
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And it's still wrong. Meteorites are mostly harmless and don't cause nearly the destruction called for in revelation. Might as well say that portion of the fable describing orbital bombardment of missiles, which is an impossibility for the mere fact international law forbids such tactics.
 
ddt said:
Deuteronomy 23:12-14:
12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. 13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. 14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.
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The Christian god is offended by the sight of his own creation, excrement? What a dainty being those people made up. But he was ok delivering their enemies? Weird. Almost like a story humans would make up.
 
RoboTimbo said:
The Christian god is offended by the sight of his own creation, excrement? What a dainty being those people made up. But he was ok delivering their enemies? Weird. Almost like a story humans would make up.
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YHWH also first made "man in his own image" and then demands that for the male ones, a bit has to be snipped off. Why, was his own creation not perfect? :rolleyes:
 
ddt said:
YHWH also first made "man in his own image" and then demands that for the male ones, a bit has to be snipped off. Why, was his own creation not perfect? :rolleyes:
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It was an attempt to lower our value to collectors. Much like cutting off the tag of beanie babies.
 
joobz said:
It was an attempt to lower our value to collectors. Much like cutting off the tag of beanie babies.
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Ah, so that the aliens that would later come would stick to anal probing and not actually abduct humans to their home planets? :boxedin:
 
Muldur said:
Meteorites used to be called "falling stars" before people understood what they were.

The Bible does not use 21st century technical language. It uses the every day language of a technologically less advanced people.
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Can you give me some examples of fulfilled bible prophecies?

Perhaps you would like to address these failed prophecies

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Ezekiel 30:10-11 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army – the most ruthless of nations – will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.”

.Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
 
joobz said:
Exactly. If the bible was the inspired word of god, why wouldn't god have told them the truth regarding meteors?
We are left with only a few conclusions:
1.) God intentionally lied to people about reality.(withholding information and letting people form false opinions is a form of lying)...
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ddt said:
So what? The Bible is the inerrant word of God, isn't it? He could have dictated to one of his human scribes that "there are big lumps of rock and/or iron and other metals that fall to earth and while falling, burn up and therefore give off light".

Which doesn't preclude God to tell his scribes to write down that "there are very small critters, smaller than the eye can see, that cause diseases"...
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The bible does not claim to be a science book, the vast majority of it deals with God's relationship with man, and spiritual and ethical matters. The little amount that does deal with science themes like Genesis could have been to satisfy the natural curiosity of the illiterate uneducated people in a manner they could easily understand without confusing them, and distracting them from the more important spiritual matters and ethical matters.

But with that said the Bible does seems to know a lot about science:

Genesis 1:1a - the universe came first

Genesis 1:1b - then the earth

Gen 1:10 - then land and sea

Gen 1:21 - then life in the sea

Gen 1;24-25 - then land animals

Gen 1:27 - lastly humans

Also other biblical writers had other unusual scientific knowledge of such things as evaporation, condensation, a time when there was no precipitation. and that the earth hung suspended in space. Gen 2: 6,7 , Eccl 1:7 , Isa 40:22 , Job 26:7

Now back to prophecy.
 
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dafydd said:
Can you give me some examples of fulfilled bible prophecies?

Perhaps you would like to address these failed prophecies

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Ezekiel 30:10-11 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army – the most ruthless of nations – will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.”

.Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
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Well, I've already responded to all of these, some with several posts. If Muldur can add something, fine.
 
DOC said:
The bible does not claim to be a science book,
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Of course not. Science, as we know it, did not exist yet. If god was real, would he not have provided the basic understanding of the scientific method? or at least explain germ theory?

DOC said:
the vast majority of it deals with God's relationship with man, and spiritual and ethical matters.
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Such as, how to treat slaves, including how severely one can beat slaves.
 
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