Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[UnrepentantSinner]

While I don't agree with the tone of the rest of your post the above is I agree a sickening possibility. Love or hate the original verdict against the police officers in the Rodney King case, having the feds come in and retry him was a farce and the most egregious abuse of double jeopardy imaginable.

Those are not my words. You need to edit that post and correctly attribute that content.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Those are not my words. You need to edit that post and correctly attribute that content.

1. Say please .
2. Put it in quotes next time if you don't want that to happen.

I edited it.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

The case that is made in the media is far, far different than the case that must be made in a court of law. But you know that which makes your post HILARIOUS?!

I'm waiting with baited breath to find out. Let me guess? Does it have something to do with you pointing out the uber obvious that the case made in the media is different than the case that must be made in court, while ignoring that the media does indeed change the narrative on the flip of a coin?

It's sort of like:
1. Steve Jobs dies. He's a genius. He's a saint.
2. Now it's 2 weeks after Steve Jobs died. Ok now they get to go after him and start to focus on his "dark side".

All I'm saying is now it's time to change the narrative. Now it's time to move to the "legal analysis" phase. But wouldn't it have been interesting if they were pointing out what a tough case this may be to prove a month ago? But then that wouldn't have fit the narrative.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

1. Say please .
2. Put it in quotes next time if you don't want that to happen.

I edited it.

Thanks.
And I did. The " was before the We can hope... and after ...guarantees our rights.

 

[triforcharity]

His new attorney needs to jump on GZ's family and pronto. Tell them to stay off the TV shows and keep their damned mouths shut.

GZ's brother is telling the not so news folks that TM was holding his hand over GZ's mouth and nose so GZ couldn't breathe. Wait, if that's true, who was screaming? How could someone whose face was covered and couldn't breathe, scream for 40 odd seconds?

I heard that too. I about lost it yelling at his brother to STFU!!!

One whom cannot breathe, cannot scream either.

 

[Dancing David]

Have you read about how this has to go before a judge who will decide if it meets the stand your ground requirements and that a judge could stop it from ever going to court? If so, I wonder how long before that hearing takes place?

Could you cite the statute on that?

 

[triforcharity]

Does the accused get to pick?

Yes, absoltuely correct. Zimmerman can choose either a jury, or trial by judge.

If I were him, I would go with a judge.

But, then again, they are picking from a similar pool as the Casey Anthony jurors......

 

[Dancing David]

It should be noted that it could just as easily be the difference between the two different agencies. Remember that the Florida govenor assigned the special prosecutor when the first didn't give the desired result. All the state needs for charges to be preferred is a prosecutor willing to sign an affidavit that, in his or her mind, probable cause exists.

And that forensic evidence takes times to gather analyze and then decide what it might mean.

Seriously, I know someone whose mother in law was charged with murder three years after the fact. The family had no idea that it was a possibility, until the day the cops came and arrested her. She is still in prison.

 

[triforcharity]

Does first require premeditation?

Yes, typically. Even a killing with no prior planning is 1st deg. murder.

If during the commission of a crime, you pull a gun and shoot an officer responding to the crime, it's M1. Even though your only plan was to rob that convenience store, and not kill someone, it's M1.

 

[Jekyll's Guest]

Seriously, I know someone whose mother in law was charged with murder three years after the fact. The family had no idea that it was a possibility, until the day the cops came and arrested her. She is still in prison.

That sounds too awesome to be real. Are you sure it wasn't just a dream?

 

[triforcharity]

Could you cite the statute on that?

907.045 Habeas corpus; motion to dismiss; preliminary hearing.—A defendant who is in custody when an indictment, information, or affidavit on which she or he can be tried is filed may apply for a writ of habeas corpus attacking the indictment, information, or affidavit, or the defendant may move to dismiss the indictment, information, or affidavit. A defendant who has been confined for 30 days after her or his arrest without a trial shall be allowed a preliminary hearing upon application.


However, a judge may find no probable cause, and release the defendant pending a further review from the judge in an evidentiary hearing.

You can also read more on that here.
http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement

Florida rules of Criminal Procedure.

 

[quadraginta]

I have the audio recording of special prosecutor Angela Corey's announcement and press conference this evening. It's an MP3 file, 25 minutes long, about 12 megs. I can transfer this file to anyone who has some web hosting space where it can be linked for sharing. My storage space is limited and I won't be able to make it available for very long before it gets deleted.

It is also up on video here at WFTV.

 

[quadraginta]

I'm waiting with baited breath to find out.

<snip>

A good mouthwash can help with that. Or breath mints.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

That sounds too awesome to be real. Are you sure it wasn't just a dream?

You forgot to add "cool story bro" .

 

[Dcdrac]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/12/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin

 

[TheL8Elvis]

it claims this is his web page?

http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/Home_Page.php

asking for donations. Who owns the domain name?

:~$ whois therealgeorgezimmerman.com

Registrant:
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN.COM
Created on: 08-Apr-12
Expires on: 08-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 08-Apr-12

Domains By Proxy = godaddy privacy service. So, who owns the domain ... you'll have to ask godaddy.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/12/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin

Was there something in particular you wanted to make a point about ?

 

[Newbielayman]

907.045 Habeas corpus; motion to dismiss; preliminary hearing.—A defendant who is in custody when an indictment, information, or affidavit on which she or he can be tried is filed may apply for a writ of habeas corpus attacking the indictment, information, or affidavit, or the defendant may move to dismiss the indictment, information, or affidavit. A defendant who has been confined for 30 days after her or his arrest without a trial shall be allowed a preliminary hearing upon application.


However, a judge may find no probable cause, and release the defendant pending a further review from the judge in an evidentiary hearing.

You can also read more on that here.
http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement

Florida rules of Criminal Procedure.

This is quite correct. It is also worth noting the standard of proof the defense must meet during this motion to dismiss; it is by preponderance of the evidence. This is a lower standard than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard that the state must prove during the actual trial. If the defense loses, it may still allege self-defense at trial as an affirmative defense, in which case the state must overcome that defense beyond a reasonable doubt. The murder 2 charge, when taken against the facts of this case, is a big risk for the state. This charge would include any number of lesser included offenses that would be easier to prove. If he is found not guilty of the murder 2 charge, then double jeopardy will attach to all of those lesser included offenses (felony assault, malicious wounding, etc).

 

[TheL8Elvis]

If it's his nickname why would we assume it's anything other than innocent?

First of all ... people still use myspace ? With that out of the way ....

Between the website, the twitter account, the reports of calling the prosecutor, hannity, etc ... these things are straining my credulity of a picture of a sane GZ. Now this myspace thing ...

Asked about the significance of the letters “tb” at the end of the username, the family member insisted that they did not stand for Trayvon Benjamin, his shooting victim’s first and middle names.
“They called him ‘Tugboat’ because he was so big,” he said.
While the family member insisted that George “had forgotten all about that page,” TheDC confirmed that the account was actively being used every day between April 6 and April 11. By default, MySpace shows a “last login” date on its users’ pages.

If they can show he actually had that username even as little as 4 months ago, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Until then ... idk

 

[eeyore1954]

Ok just saw a judge on TV explain it. Second degree murder is not with the intent to kill. For example, your neighbor pisses you off so you throw a bowling ball down off an overpass at their car and it kills them, even though you didn't really intend to. Manslaughter is being grossly negligent that leads to death. Many drunk driving cases are this. Judge Alex Ferrer, former Florida circuit court judge.

To me that should be murder one. A reasonable person knows that can cause death that judge was ridiculous.